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Penetration of Google Adwords (Goal: Daily Profit 20k $) (33)

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Hey guys,

I'm cracking adwords already since 6 years and advertised only a few high profitable campaigns. The world moved on, campaigns died and I became extremly lazy.

So this thread has various motivations:

- I want to have my own goal and blame my self on this forum if I start to loose daily profit cause I was to lazy to create new Google Accounts

- I'm selling my whole Adwords trick box for 200.000 $ at each (Yeah, you heard it right, just to keep the mass away)

- I want to get partner ships with some of you guys for exclusive campaigns


Things you should know:

Adwords is the biggest bitch I've ever seen. I had already nightmares cause of that plattform. It's only worth to run huge volume campaigns just simply of the reason that it doesn't make sense to go threw the whole creation process for a daily 200$ campaign. I'm always concetrating on keywords which has min. 300.000 monthly searchs so that I should be able to make at least 1000 $ profit daily with that. Also it's absolutely necessary to create daily fresh accounts cause u never know when some of your accs gets kicked. Generally I concetrate only on campaigns which would be normally NOT allowed to run on adwords cause of the guidelines, simply cause of the reason that I won't have any competition and my CPC prices are pretty low. The good point is, there is mostly no tracking or optimising needed, so as soon as you hit a profitable campaign, it will stay profitable for a long time as long as you don't outrun of accounts.


What I concetrate currently on:

- Toolbars
- Mobile Download Offer


I've got currently one profitable mobile campaign which works great on some countries. So this is a good start. My accounts (2) are currently under review and will be hopefully approved back again in the evening or tomorrow. My next step is to start with toolbar offers. Reason: Mostly no competition and seems to have huge volume


So here we start:



Google Accounts
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Review Process: 2
Running: 0


Stats
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Spent from 14.01.: 0$
Profit from 14.01.: 0$


Any additional infos needed?

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Is that 300,000 local monthly searches and are you building out a legit site or cloaking? What about quality scores? Does that come into play with how you advertise?

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- 300.000 local monthly searches, yes... this is the minimum for low payout offers (3 - 10 $) where it makes sense for me to start some campaign
- I have only to build the landers or direct link, the rest manages my "system" at it self, no quality score
- Yes, I'm cloaking

Sorry, but I won't go into deep details cause I had already some big fails cause of my wide mouth anyways I will try to give advise round about.

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300.000 broad or exact matches?

this brings back memories of good times

there are several other bitches in the same league as adwords.. it just seems to be something you have to deal with.

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any update on this ?

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I hope you penetrate them hard!

Adwords is huge for mobile, I know there are guys doing $30,000/day rev on Adwords alone.

Btw what's a trick box?

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Stupid question for you... Display network or Search?

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Display.

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Eff! Thanks.

Fanboi alert, I have been reading your blog for years now. Its been the onlu affiliate marketing blog I read. Never did anything with it, but that is why I am here now.

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Haha welcome mate! You've come to the right place!

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Very excited to have the chance to follow along. You will do it!!

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Alright, here comes the update:


As first point:

Why is Google so fucking hard to get running for people? It's not about the technical stuff, it's also not about to find niches. It's just about the psychologic part of that stuff.

- I created at Wednesday four new Accounts, two of them died immediatly. I'm just figuring out what the reason was and have already some idea.
- That other two fresh accounts are running but are going also under review as soon as I make any action on it

And that are the most frustrating reasons why people giving up on Adwords:

- Non Stop Reviews as soon as you change something or add a campaign (a review takes min. 2 - 3 days)
- I have always like 4 - 5 reviews before an account really starts to spend high amounts and even after that, as soon as you open a new niche campaign on that account the review shit starts from the beginning
- Support sucks heavily, they're like robots, giving all the time the same answers, I've got the feeling that I even know more about their system as they know
- It's unbelivable that you have to beg that you're "able" to spend money on adwords

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However, finally they approved my major account and it started to send traffic from today in the morning. That account runs with a mobile download campaign and generates around 1k $ daily profit. (I will make clear stats in the next days)

On my second account I tried to make "weather blink toolbar - us - payout 4,40$" running and it sucked heavily. Sent over 1000 clicks and made like 20$. CPC was 0,20. Problem at it all was that I was unable to get a high CTR cause (so CPC was high) of Google Weather services. (When you search for "weather" you get instant forecast without clicking any page)

I'm just trying to get some mobile download campaign running on that "weather" acc, so the acc is back again under review. Unluckily I added there 2 sites which were already banned from adwords (didn't checked my notes twice) so probably that account will die.

My third account is running for "galaxy maps toolbar - us - 4$" and I guess I will also change that account to some other niche.

Seems that toolbars aren't running such great as I thought currently. Even with that super high payout.

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I just stumbled upon this thread... was wondering if you can elaborate on how you get new accounts. They banned me cuz i was promoting an Empower network landing page..and heres the kicker, when I talked to support , they said as long as I change the landing page they would reopen the account.. I told them it was an affiliate link and I cant change it... but to no avail.. the EXACT link that I used HAD to be the EXACT page to revise and resubmit.. F'ing crazy. What do you suppose i do to create new account? I thought they check iP's and stuff (or name on cc?)

Would any high payout offers work if i cloaked??? ie.. skin , diet, ecig, loan, creditscore, muscle Just askin to save myself any trouble cuz I am going to attempt it.

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they have a monopoly and know it, that phrase reminds me of serbian telecom company - they don't give a shit they sell you 100mbit and you only get 30mbit



do you run 1 campaign (or do you run just 1 type of offer) per account?

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I prefer to run 1 type of offer on one same site

Probably also to run various countries in that account but avoid various sites on the same account. It's a pain in the ass if you loose that acc cause every site you used will be burned forever on adwords.

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Not really. You are trying to make money by either breaking their terms and conditions or by cloaking. No wonder it's hard for you to spend money lol..

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It would be more pain in the ass if I would run a legit site and would have 300.000 $ adwords budget and would need to wait 2 weeks before I can spend a single cent on it. I'm - really - sorry for people who have legit business and have to deal with adwords customer service, for real.

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That doesn't happen with legit advertisers, especially the ones with $300k budgets

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Ok guys, I'm sorry but I guess that I've got more experience with "new" adwords accounts than 90% of you guys. I acted several times as an agency with daily budget wide about 10k $ daily and from 2013 till now it's a pain in the ass when you create a fresh new account, even if you have 300k or more. After all that review shit (takes 2 - 3 weeks) you have definitly a more "safe" adwords account if you run high budgets on legit campaigns (you get even some personal account manager), but before that you're a small fish like also someone with 20$ daily campaign.


I lost in 2012 even a 1 million dollar account (means that they invoice u only after u make a million at costs) cause of various violations of the terms, so nobody and nothing is untouchable on adwords.

And before you didn't spend some huge daily money on your adwords account, nobody will get you a personal account manager or accelerate any review process, even if you call them 100 times and tell them you've got MILLIONS to spend on your campaigns, this is just what I want to tell - Google sucks heavily cause of their monopole

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It's no problem to spend for a legit business on adwords. Neither it is for a legit agency. The problem is that the businesses having a 300k budget for adwords barely run the way affiliates do. With that sort of budget, most people will go via agencies to plan and coordinate their campaigns unless they have an in-house division for it.

This is nothing new. I got a years old agency account for SEO/Rep management clients that never got blocked. Guess why? Because it's a 'real' agency account showing the patterns you see for campaigns that aren't only bound to ROI but to exposure, brand recognition, etc..

We did create a second account specifically for a partner agency I work with 4 months ago. Actually we been assigned a personal account manager after 2 or 3 days, after getting on phone and verifying the account. IF you run legit it's no problem and they'll help you for sure.

The problem is that you're assuming they want YOU, the affiliate, to spend money. They in fact prefer agencies to work with. In average, bigger budgets, better target sites, easier to handle. EVERY source that's big enough prefers agencies as an advertising partner to affiliates, it's not only bound to Google.

Let's face what it's up to:

As an affiliate:

1) you're a pain in the ass to deal with
2) you have a smaller budget than agencies (in average)
3) you have very low quality sites you're going to promote in majority of the time
4) you're playing against their TOS (dup accounts, cloaking etc.)
5) you're bringing lower quality / non relevant content to google's content

and you expect them to fall in love with you?

Being on both sides, the agency and affiliate, I know from a single phone call you (or google) is pretty much able to tell if you're an affiliate or agency. There is no problem in getting an account for an agency, there is just a problem to get an account for affiliates (especially if banned before). Stop wondering why they are blocking your account, they initially blocked it for a reason (to stop you from advertising).

Forget this bullshit you read on IMgrind acting as an agency with real clients and shit. Real agencies promote more than the average affiliate with a total different intention in many cases. EVERY network you'll talk to will tell you right after the first 5 minutes of a phone call if you're an agency or an affiliate in 90% of all cases.

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I won't continue this discussion cause it runs to nowhere, you talking about one part, I'm about the other

I'm not on IMgrind and whatever that should be.

As I mentioned I also lost 2012 a million dollar account which was an AGENCY account and which managed before several campaigns for several companys. After I broke their rules after a short time they stopped the account and told me to fix all problem sites before I can continue, however I was unable to fix that cause it were not my sites.

You're talking from agency side which already has a "profile" at adwords, I'm talking about new agencies or as example startups. However, we running away from the main point of that thread.

PS: I doesn't wonder about anything. I'm working with google already since 6 years from various sides: legit and non legit. And this is my experience.

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It's not off topic, it was meant to be a reply about your statement with them making it hard to spend money and stuff No offense in my post. What you need to understand is that they make it hard to spend money for people spreading content they don't want to have promoted - that's the only reason

The problem is that it's not about a new agency or a new startup - this kind of 'newcomers' will have zero problems spending money assuming they run legit. But it's close to impossible to fake a 'real' agency and even more a real startup, especially with them stepping up in the techniques they (seem to) use to verify.

Regarding your problems with the account creation, have you taken care of switching MAC address, screen resolution, using different machines ( no talking virtual machine & VPSs ), using different incorporation types, using different bank accounts + CCs ?

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Just read seroundtable, and you will notice google is trying to steal agency clients and have them sign direct (the big ones). Google is a monopoly and using its powers to do plenty o evil. Anyhow, way off topic from chris's follow along, lets get back to biz

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Are you using unique ip's for each account?

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Tens of thousands of companies open Adwords accounts every single day. They can do so without any problems. Google wants real companies advertising for legitimate products and services and who are not interested to running noncompliant activities.

If your behaviour raises red flags and exhibits all the tell tale signs of a client that may not be advertising legitimate products and services or breaking Google rules or running noncompliant activities, then you will have problems.

And yes, for such people, Google does not want your money.

Suppose I walk into a Wells Fargo bank branch with five suitcases stuffed with 100 dollar bills and I tell the teller that I want to open an account and deposit all of this right now but do so under someone else's name. Do you think they are going to treat me exactly the same as the owner of a local bookstore that the entire town knows and who wants to open a small business account?

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Google is like a giant country who is killing any small fly that can risk her vision,

Don't listen to anyone who tries to explain the logic of google moves, 99% that is bullshit,

Don't trust your google rep, whatever his title he is just a 1 employee out of many,

You need to learn how to show quality in terms google evaluate quality, thats it, for the rest (new ip, CC..) you just need to play their stupid games..

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Great Follow along so far! Looking forward to seeing more updates.

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All I saw Penetration... Should be a good word for any ad. Definitely draws attention.

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Any updates here?

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Really interesting to know, I doubt that anyone use new hadware everytime. What are the properties VPS must have to have to pass google check? Do google pass data centre's ip or need to search some fresh, bad known vpn/ip (also doubt that there are some bad known for G)?

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hi, would like to discuss a potential partnership. your account is full so please contact me. thanks

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Hey Chris.

Are you still running toolbar on Adwords?

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we have some aged with spending over 20K, do you think you can get benefit of it? Like making BH campaigns on them? If so, you can ping me at my skyid tianyah. thanks.

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