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Stack That Adult Money: 100$/day (49)

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Intro to my follow along:

Hi guys,
I'm on the forums for 1 month now. It has been a great month in terms of learning a lot of things. The information shared here is pure gold and it opened me a totally different perspective how I look at things in internet marketing. However, is time to take serious action and therefore I'm officially starting my first follow along campaign - right now!

Summary of the last month:

• I was reading the forum and taking proper notes in Evernote of everything important (ideas, tutorials, scripts, tips&tricks, list of traffic sources, list of ad image resources etc.)
• I've spent a lot of time by setting everything up (hosting, tracking, landing pages, creating ads/banners)
• 2 weeks after I joined I started messing up with dating + some local finance offers on Facebook. Result => in month of October I've burned around 600€ and get back only about the half of it.
• I realised that FB is just not for me and I still in the same trap as with SEO and playing the cat and mouse game, which I seriously hate (I got retro-disapproved all of my 200+ ads and it started to be difficult to get anything approved, to be serious on this t. src I cannot go without cloaker/multiple accounts)
• Adult is something I've always skipped overall and here on the forums. I don't know exactly why, but I just had some block in myself, that it's not for me. It's a big game only for the big players. But after I started to hate FB I decided to dig up a little bit in adult and: I got amazed what are you guys all doing there! It's amazing and I definitely have to be in this game now or never! And that's where my journey starts!

Campaign details:

• Tracking system: Prosper202 (probably will switch to CPVLab or iMobiTrax once I feel more confident + tracking more advanced split testing in P202 really sucks)
• Traffic Source: TJ
• Target: Europe
• Budget: $25 (starting out low, once I will succeed with optimising my campaigns I will be happy to throw more at it)
• Goal: 100$ (but that's not really the case, anything positive is a win for me in the beginning!)

I will post more information very soon as I've started my first campaign before last weekend.

Stay tuned.

P.S. I will truly appreciate all of your feedback on the way. I don't know what will be the result (success or fail), but I believe we can learn new things & get some new ideas on the way.

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Looking good!

Keep us updated - very interested to hear how things go, and I'll help as much as I can!

I completely agree with you about Prosper. You might want to try setting up the STM Mobile Tracker soonish - it's easier to split-test by far thanks to its redirection code.

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Plan:

The start is the most difficult. I have to find a lot of things! Actually everything!

What that mean?

• good (and if possible original) angle
• banner with reasonable CTR (with good image, copy, design - if unique the more good)
• landing page with reasonable CTR (I aim at least for average of +/- 50%)
• and the last but not the least a CONVERTING OFFER(S)

What I have so far?
First I started by analyzing competition, from who you can learn the most if not from the guys that already running stuff (and they are probably making some $$$)? So yes, I did the dirty thing that many of you are doing here - spy. Started up my VPN & downloaded a bunch of banners, LPs, looking what offers are people using, how they split testing etc. I lookup the offers at the network, compare the payouts vs. the bids at TJ and see if I can be profitable or not. I created simple (and probably lame) calculator in Excel that makes my calculating easier. So I just take all this shit as much serious as I can.

BTW @machete's follow along has been (and still it is) a big motivation for me in the last few days while working on all these homework stuff.

So now let's see how it's going so far:

Day #1

• I decided to start with 5 angles that are making sense to me and 3 banner's per angle. So 5 sets with 15 banners all together. Featuring both younger & older woman, in different position etc.
• Split test 2 offers: 1 that I found while spying and 1 more that my AM recommended. (1 SOI vs. 1 DOI)
• Split test 2 LPs

Quite a lot of things for split testing, especially when the budget is low, but somehow we have to start, right? Sure!


Oh My God! (or as we say here in Thailand: Oh My Buddha!) My first day and first adult campaign and 26.8% ROI? I will be rich! Okay, I have to admit that I spent all my day imagining all the good things, that this is freaking easy. Everything very positive, and just starting!

As I'm testing a lot of things, I don't really have a statistically significant data yet, but need to make some progress so I decided to pause banners with 0 conversions and also switch the offers. Leave the best converting one and add new ones.

Day #2


Okay, at Day #1 I just got lucky. This is the hard reality. My spend go a bit up, I also run the campaign in different hours. (BTW: the volume in adult is really HUGE, it can burn out my tiny budget basically in a few minutes if I allow it)
So things get serious again, but now I have numbers that I can work on. However hard digging in data: my Offer+LP rotation in P202 sucks, I not passed subid's to the network, so no postback. I had to match & update my subid's based on converting IP's. Kick in the ass, but better than nothing.

Day #3


After I entered my data in my spreadsheet I laughed a lot! That's a perfect breakeven, nice to see this one too. BTW I'm not sure if my numbers are 100% correct (as I'm bidding in $ and revenue is coming in €, so I visit national bank for the current $/€ exchange rate, therefore I can somehow consolidate my data) In P202 I just put everything in € (cannot setup currency, but for my records it's okay). Timezones are a bit pain too. I welcome any ideas on these things too.

Oh, and for this day I used only 1 (best) offer and 1 (best) LP as I wanted to see if my assumption is right, and probably it was not a very bad choice.

Today I also analyzed my 3 day data (I'm still running the same 1 campaign on the same position). I tried to find some pattern to see which angles and banners are doing the best and why. Based on that I created 4 totally new banners all around the best angle and setup a new campaign. Currently waiting for approval. Updates are coming soon.

P.S. Uff, that's long! How do you like reports like this one? Long reading, ha? :/ I'm sure I cannot be so detailed everyday as it's time consuming for me too, but for a 3 day report it's not so bad. I'm looking forward to hear your feedback. Thanks for reading.

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Hey Eric!
Pretty good results for a first campaign! Keep it up and keep us updated.

Nada

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Nice intro.. your plan is looking good so far

Break even is always a good sign whenever you start a new campaign because it hasn't been fully optimized yet.

Once you start figuring out what works, start focusing your ad dollars on those elements

Keep it up!

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Hows this going dude, awesome start to the follow along keep us updated!

You need to keep testing here buddy, its still early days and some stand out creatives/landers should be coming out on your tracker now!

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Thanks for your support guys!

Here are new updates:

I've tuned my LP and created new campaign with batch of banners based on the best converting angle.

Day #4

I'm time targeting my campaign and my banners got reviewed just in middle of that time, that's why spend went low.

Day #5
This day was better, used the same campaign & banners as they were already approved. Tried to run it also at different times through day. This day ended in a small profit.

P202 really bothers me: split testing sucks, generating LP codes & links every time, then if I change a link I have to wait for campaign approval for another day etc. I like when I can move forward a bit faster + save time and assign it to more productive areas.

So I finally made a decision and purchased CPV Lab. It's a new tracking platform for me, so have to figure out everything. I've spent half day setting everything up and now waiting again for campaign approval.

I'm looking forward for data coming in new the system. Hopefully this decision was right and I will see progress more fast.

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Prosper202 did need some work. It appears that there are going to be some updates coming, but CPVLab is solid.

Looking good so far... is the Day #4 stats in profit or is that a typo?

Keep testing man!

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Day #5

Again the same thing as at Day #4, low spend because of late banner approval.

Day #6

This is my first CPV Lab day. I did a lot of stupid things here - I very want to split test a lot of things and that just go nowhere. Temptation is high, then the results really suck and I just lose money.

Now I'm starting new campaigns (uploaded them all in advance so they are all approved and can run them when I'm ready) at new site and new placements as well. However before I have to do some work with my LPs, have few ideas. Hopefully I not screw things up again.

Overall problem I see so far are the following:

1. I have a quite good converting SOI offer, but with low payout. (not doing much conversions yet, don't know if I'm able to get bump on that - what you think is the average "limit" for that?).
2. DOIs on the other side have great payouts, but they need a lot of traffic and CR is not so good -> basically I can get maybe to the same numbers in the end as with SOI. (definitely I have to do some work on my conversion funnel)
3. First thing I have problem with CPV Lab is the currency. Postback is sending me back amounts in EUR whereas everything I track in DOLLARS. I have to manually update Subid's.
4. I also setup some optimization rules, but not see them working on the Stats page, only on the Optimize page (BTW here I see the numbers are very different from the stats page -> I mean the number of Visitors/Clicks is different on Stats page and different on the Optimize page - WTF, why is this happening?) I like to have everything precise haha

No it's not a typo, it's really green, just a small profit :-)

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Nah its too generalised to give an offer payout guidelines as even different SOI's convert different I've ran some that convert 10% and some that converted 50%. If your aff manager says its being run by affiliates its obviously working. You might have to send some traffic and ask for a paybump?

Yep DOI's do pay a lot more, but they don't always convert at half, often less of an SOI. The most important thing is split testing all the offers you can for your demographic man, some will completely stand out more then others.

Sorry I can't help you with this one man, I've never tracked this option before. I just counted conversions and looked at each individual ad in my traffic source as to what was spending what etc

Once again hopefully someone with more a tech background will chime in on this one

Keep progressing man, keep traffic flowing and definitely split test more offers!

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Optimization rules: Ach, I'm afraid I don't use CPVLab auto-optimisation myself.

Anyone?

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Day #7

Tried a new placement, actually it is a Footer Squares one - it looks dirty cheap and nobody use it why? Aha, now I know! Got nearly 50k impressions and only 2 clicks. CPC $0.520. So I just cut it right away before I lose more money. Maybe too early, but my banners were just static and not really ready for this placement. Anyone having good experience with Footer Squares?


This was a test of another new placement..



This one is interesting one. It is a new placement and CTR was horrible so I just stopped it all. Got only 6 clicks. But what is interesting is that a click appeared few hours after I paused the campaign. And what happened? A conversion on a DOI offer. So it look great, but it must be just a big luck. (and error of the TJ ad system)


New campaign and back to my favourite placement. Tried a lot of new banners I've spent creating all day. Not so bad, but burned all my budget and got just a few conversions. The problem here was also I was totally disorganized. Trying to control/test a lot of things, changing them on the fly etc. I have to get some more discipline otherwise I don't know how I will end.

Day #8

New day, but same campaign as the last one above. I cut a lot of banners with very low CTR/no conversions, things looks better.

I have one more campaign that is still in the progress. Have new unique lander that is matched with the offer. This campaign look really good, from start it was getting 200% ROI (conversions were just rolling in), stay in positive for few hours, everything great. But then conversions started dropping and currently it is in -22% ROI. Don't know if it was a luck or I am a victim of scrubbing (I run this offer basically from start). Will post details on this later.

BTW thank you for the replies about the Optimize function in the CPV Lab. I think I know how to use it, my concerns were only about the numbers it give me, because they not match with the Stats. Anyway it is not a big deal, as there are more important things..

Edit: I have to update Day #8 as my previous calculation was wrong due to timezones/campaign subid tracking.

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So here is my biggest campaign in meaning of daily spend. (I know it is a joke for the big affiliates here ) ... my default daily budget is only $25, but that cannot give me too much relevant data and this offer started in very interesting way and I want to get some more significant data, so here we go:

Day #9

The result not look appealing, but the fact is that this campaign started very good! I had initial ROI around 100-200% for the first 3-4 hours of it lifetime. However then it started sucking and from positive got to negative. Don't know the reason - maybe just the initial positive status was a bit of luck or good timing.

Day #10

Second day I tried to recover the ROI and get some more data. I waited until banners get 2x payout spend and then pause the not performing ones. Again (and this is something I think many of us see), the banners with low CTR get the highest CVR. But still in the red, I get some 1200 clicks for this campaign, my LP CTR was at 43%, LP CVR 4.3% and overall offer CVR at 10.89%, I think not so bad numbers, but still difficult to get positive. I think the biggest problem is that I bid high and the payout is low. It is a simple SOI offer with $2.15 payout.

At this stage I don't know if I continue to pushing it and hoping for pay bump (I have some 100+ conversions for this offer so far), or just move and find new offer with higher payout.
What do you think?

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How many offers and LPs have you split-tested on this one? If it's not at least 4 of each, I'd recommend doing more split-testing. The campaign's close enough to profit you can probably push it there - but you need to make sure you're testing BIG changes (like new offers or completely new LPs) not just tinkering.

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Hi guys,

it's been a while since my last update. No, I not give this up - just got sick and spent a lot of time in bed. :/ However still slowly running campaigns in that time, so here are some updates.

Note: I decided to skip Campaign & Placement #. Anyway it not make much sense, the numbers are what is really important here.

Day #11

Day #12

Day #13

Day #14

Day #15


Day #16

Day #17

What's new? On day #15 I started campaign in new country with lower competition. There are only some "basic" offers available and CVRs are not so good here, BUT the clicks are very cheap (low CPM and with my unique angle I managed to get very good CTRs). So things look promising.

Yesterday I created campaigns with new positions and tried to scale a bit. It looks really good so far (much better from what I see for last 2 weeks with my first country). So trying new countries with lower competition looks really like the way to go.

More updates coming soon.

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Countries with less competition are definitely a slice of pure gold. Looking forward to your updates - sounds like there's a lot of potential here.

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So here are some fresh updates from campaigns from the new country. I finally managed it to PROFIT, small but still profit:

Day #18

Day #19




These campaigns are basically still raw and unoptimized and some of them are making really nice ROIs! So things looks promising if everything will go good. These are pretty small campaigns with small volume, so it is difficult to scale them. The only scaling option I see here is to buy out as many positions as possible (+ move to new traffic sources) and then move to new countries with similar parameters.

UPDATE:
Nearly forget to add my best performing campaign I started last night:


See that ROI!

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Are you bidding first place for this new country?

If not, I suggest you do to see what the upper ceiling of volume is. Maybe increase your frequency cap slightly too. The ROI is clearly there. You just need more traffic.

The first few days milking an untapped market are always going to be profitable, but when that initial rush of leads subsides, you're going to need more volume - not just to scale the campaign, but to keep it fresh.

Be careful how much value you place on the ROI.

A 1460.32% ROI is insane, and beats anything I've had on TJ, but the paradox of these high ROIs is that they are nearly always unscalable. You may find that it's more productive to take a 10% loss in a market where the upside is greater. But then again, if you can learn the ropes on TJ without losing money, that's a huge positive.

Good luck!

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@Finch, great to see you here .. I'm the first bidder on most of the places, on others I'm second - definitely I will try to play with these too. Good point not forgetting about FC too. Currently I have it on 3/24 hours and my CTR is really good, so maybe I could try 4-5. Thanks for tips!

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double post

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Change your default daily to $20000. You can lower the bid and get more traffic.

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I'm at $20k already, but I'm not really sure if this trick still working .. but maybe can make fear some bidders haha :-)

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You get better position with lower bid.

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My best day so far!



Day #20

Overall:

What I did is that I followed @Finch's recommendations and tried to bid to position #1 and changed my FC to 5. Results are very nice so far. The last campaign with 401% ROI is really gold, I'm getting great CTRs and paying some $0.008 per click so it's really great so far!

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Nice!

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Check which countries your offer accepts and try copy your campaigns there. Or test with similar offers.

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Today was not so nice as yesterday. I basically not changed a thing, but conversions went down. Hopefully it was just a bad day, will see how the things will go today. But in overall for yesterday I'm still in profit, so it's not so bad.

Day #21

Overall for this day:

I want to do a lot of new things, but I have to prepare for travelling next week, so there will be not so much progress as I want, but once I'm back I will take a lot of action.

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damn.. 263.97% ROI is nice

Might want to expand on that a little before you start travelling

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Okay, here are updates from yesterday:

Day #22

Overall for this day:

As I mentioned yesterday I'm going to travelling so my updates will follow by the end of the next week. And then some serious work have to be done, cannot wait until then, haha!

@JasperP: yeah, that particular campaign is doing really well from the start, but the volume on that one is limited tough.

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Ugh, that's no fun. Chances are you're just having one of those freak low-conversion days, though - don't worry too much until it's been happening for a few days.

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Hi guys,

here are some updates:

Overall for day #59

Overall for day #60

The things start looking really bad. From a lot of green days I'm back in red :/. I was doing well with one offer (higher payout) and got it to quality check. Quality wasn't the best so I got payout decrease (however I'm still not see it in my cake admin), but still stay on the offer. I have also one more offer with lower payout. The problem is now I cannot manage it to profit as the CPMs are really high and it is very difficult to get better banners/LPs CTRs in that country.

Question: How do you normally react to a payout decrease? You stop pushing that offer, or push it even more and try to improve quality to get back the better payout?

Also I don't know why my quality is not so good. I have a rules lander with age grouping and I'm sending each age to different offer which should do the trick, but probably it is not enough.

Now I'm little bit lost and I'm getting demotivated. I have to do some math and make new plan as with current setup I'm just going to lose more money.

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Payout decrease? Ugh, that sucks.

I'd definitely recommend taking a bit of time to stop and plan. Unfortunately it sounds like you do need to regroup and start launching again.

Can you get any details on what's up with the quality? Worth spending a bit of time quizzing your AM and seeing if you can get more info.

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just out of curiosity, how are you lander CTR's?

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also, any update?

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Hi guys,

I'm sorry that I not gave updates for a long time now. I know this will not sound very positive for all of you who was following me - but actually I couldn't get back to profit again. Day by day I was losing money.

Therefore I got some break from all of this stuff, with my friend I booked a diving course here in Thailand (Koh Tao) and I did my PADI Open Water during the latest week :-) It was an amazing break from all the computer/online stuff, I was learning and doing a completely new things to me and I really enjoyed it!

Now I'm trying to get slowly back to everything, it will take some time, I have to make some serious planning, basically start from the bottom and get on the track again.

@angryoldlady: from my observation LP CTR really depends from country to country - in the country I was working on I had only about 25-40% which is kinda low. However in other country I could get 60% without problem with the same LP, so it really depends (I'm not sure on what, probably saturation and maybe some other local factors).

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Taking a break is important, now you must have the zest back!

Did you ever think about asking your aff manager for a new affid to get the offer back at original payout, or shop for the offer on another network?

(if you get a new affid, you will need a new domain as a referrer and probably a new IP too just to make sure)

You've done it once bro, you can definitely do it again! You have knowledge you didn't have prior to all this, this follow alongs been great so keep it up mate

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Nice man. You got profits before you can do it again! I got my Naui open water license last year. I actually want to learn some free diving. I'm in California so it takes up way too much time just to go scuba diving. Damn I wish I could try diving in Thailand. I bet the water there is so much nicer.

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actually, I'm kind of in the same position.... I finally got up to some placements breaking even then all the sudden... things just stopped converting..

I got frustrated, added a bunch of banners, placements, landers, and offers. nothing was converting. I need to stop for a bit and re plan


damn frustrating seeing an average of 9-10% CVR and seeing it drop to about 2.5% within a matter of days and not pick up

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Nice one. Taking a break to sit back and think is nearly always a good idea if you've been hustling hard for a while. It's very easy to lose perspective.

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am1sumon stfu. Starting to annoy me with your stupid spammy remarks. We all know what you are doing. A ban is immanent !

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haha

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@am1sumon seriously ?

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post got deleted. whats going on?

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Oh jeez - I don't know who that man is - he PMed me, then added on Skype and basically just asked for knowledge. If there is a way I can close this follow along as it is long time over :-)

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But did you crack down on it and became supreme winner.. or are you diving for a living now?

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These are the important questions we should be asking!

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yes!


we need answers!

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my first post at stm please tell us what is going on now?

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