Journey To Stacking The Adult Moniessss (46)
I figured I'd give another go at a follow along to keep myself accountable for taking consistent action. I started a PoF follow along a few months back here.
Since then, I've gotten a few smaller offers going but profits are small and there isn't many more offers out there I want to test. Hopefully, PoF will have given me a solid foundation to build on here.
I took Finch's advice and am starting with Juicy Ads in spanish speaking countries.
Not sure if my setup is decent or completely blows but here it is:
Placement Setup:
Juicy Ads
Spanish Speaking Countries - Mainly spain, mexico, argentina
1,000+ clicks a day (if the data is legit)
The placement looks like it's in a good spot and the site isn't littered with ads so hopefully I chose well.
Ad Creatives:
Angles
1. Single Moms Looking for the D
2. Try this out before you fap
3. Site contains photos of someone you know
4. Local Moms need anonymous sex
Looks like from popular searches on the site single moms will hopefully be a good angle.
Gifs:
Cartoons, Spanish Looking Milfs, White/Blonde Looking Milfs, Scraped Spy Tool Gifs, Shock & Awe "WTF, is that chick taking two BBC's to the face?!?!" Type Gifs
I'm going to try the blend into the site method with most of them and the rest of them I'll try and make pop.
LP's:
I'm a little confused for this part. Pretty much every site I've spied on uses a variation of the quiz lander so I dunno if I should test a "rules" qualifier/map lander or not. Maybe I'm just being a lazy noob though.
So far I have 2 variations of the quiz style for my 3 main countries, and 2 others for my junk/other traffic.
Offers:
Spain - Maduras Calientes, C-Date
Argentina - C-Date, Erovie
Mexico - HornyWife
All else/traffic that doesn't meet age requirements - Webcams exposed
Those seemed to be the more popular ones from the spying I did, not 100% sure if they're the best out there at the moment.
Hopefully I can get this all up in the next week or so, still need to make all my creatives, modify/upload my landers, and find out where I can get all these offers.
Like the last follow along I want to keep this thing going until I see some consistent profit.
I'm teaming up with a friend of mine this time and our budget is 15K+ so we should have plenty to get the ball rolling.
Hoping for the best, but ready to fail like crazy until I get there. Let's get it! 
Questions:
1. Should I stick to the quiz style landers that I see from the spy tool or mix it up with the rules/map styles as well starting out? I'm guessing this would be better but I haven't seen anybody using those variations for these countries.
2. Is there any way other than odigger/offervault that I can find a network for these offers? I can't seem to find maduras calientes or hornywife from the searches I've done there. Is there a way I can find the networks people are running them through from wheredoesthislinkgo.com or something?
Welcome to the dirty side of AM, your gonna like it here. Don't forget to bring a towel!
Originally Posted by clubdrock
And I can already tell my eyes are becoming desensitized to the vulgar/disgusting shit you find in the deep, dark recesses of the adult world.
Awesome to hear that my post inspired you man. Desensitizing yourself to porn is key haha. The only way to master no-fap.
Your plan of attack looks really well thought out. My guess is you will pick this up pretty quickly.
As far as landers go, using common logic one would think the quiz/rules lander would be burnt out by now, (the age question, STD question, condom question, then load to rules) but theirs a reason why almost everyone still uses it. Because it still works. Just make sure you ad your own twist to it. Change the copy a bit, test different questions, Headlines, hero shots, CTA ect. With some tweaks you can still get it to convert very well especially in certain intl. countries.
Of course test your own brand new lander styles because you could always find gold, but when starting out you can lean on the tried and true quiz/rules lander and still find success.
As far as offers go I just stick to my two favorite networks (ClickDealer and Adsimilis) and run what they say is hot.
Good luck!
Will be following this one. Your last one on pof gave me a good kick in the ass.
Keep grindin bro! This guys one to watch!
Originally Posted by clubdrock
My adsimilis rep is suggesting I push all traffic for these countries to C-date/Erovie. I'm cool with that, but it seems like almost everyone in MX is running HornyWife.
I found an affiliate signup page through their website here but it looks like they're associated with AdultFriendFinder which I believe is pretty screwed right now. I dunno if this would be worth looking into or not.
Been figuring out CPV lab for this past week. Got everything ready to go, but I just need some offers for my under 30 traffic and "junk" traffic from random LATAM countries.
Anybody know of any webcam/random other offers I can throw at them for this? Should I try something like camstarcash?
I really don't want to leave that extra traffic on the table, but if worst comes to worst I guess I can just send them all through a meatspin and have a laugh...
Webcam offers: there was a discussion about webcam offers that accept a lot of countries a while ago. That may be worth a look if you haven't seen it already!
You can also send your garbage traffic to a CPS of same offers or others. Its no risk to advertiser and wont affect quality of your CPL.
Originally Posted by marketone
^^^Interesting^^^ Never thought about that...Thx
Sorry not trying to jack this thread man. Hey bbrock Who do you recommend for adult white label....I know cupid had one but just shut it down. Any other quality ones you recommend?
All the best mate. Hope you have some success like your previous pof thread All the best
Whitelabel is definitely something I'll look into for the future.
For now I'm going with webcams hispanas on crakrevenue. Seems like it'd be the best fit for my LAT AM junk traffic.
Should have the campaign up tonight. Have everything ready to go just got to upload.
Originally Posted by marketone
Launched yesterday at around this time and things are looking good so far. In order to not give away my placement I'll just put my revenue as a percentage of the initial buy.
Ad CTR: ~.6%
LP CTR: 50%
Return: 33%
Looking pretty decent if I can keep this up. I went with a "blend into the site" type ad creative and the CTR is looking pretty good.
One of the offers bringing in the largest amount of revenue for me is a Spain mobile offer that pays $11.30 a lead. The CVR on it is really low but with that payout I'm making pretty decent money so far.
How do they monetize something like that? Seems crazy to me that they can afford to pay me $11+ per lead strictly for a phone number with 18+ traffic.
Will update again tomorrow!
Already in the green, thats sick dude!
Originally Posted by egan
Copy/paste to other traffic networks.
Shitty news today...the $11 mobile payout for Spain hasn't converted once in the past 2 days even though I had 3 conversions the first day with it. Not sure what the deal is, maybe getting scrubbed.
And the backup offer I also had converting well (Erovie) had it's payout drop from $3.50 to $1.08. My AM didn't even notify me about it, I had to ask him and he just told me the sales dept. changed it without letting him now.
Either way, this campaign looks pretty shot. With a bunch of $1 payout offers for all my countries I doubt I'll get to break even. I think I'm learning with adult that it's pretty important you have hot offers. It's not like PoF where people run the same people media shit day in and day out.
I'm going to be moving this follow along to TJ this upcoming week. Should have the budget for it and I'm not really worried about losing money with initial tests.
Got two LP's translated for a Nordic country and I think they're decent. I really want to try and make the extra effort to mix things up and improve on what's already working instead of just copy pasting. For example, I really like how some landers have that background of bitches cascading down the screen so I played with some CSS and added it to one of the one's I'm running. Hopefully it performs.
That's pretty much it for today, I'll try and post another update when I get this all up and running!
Hey man, I've never messed with LATAM traffic before. I know the traffic is dirt cheap but I also think its tricky to monetize. No doubt people are still banking there. Might have to try and go direct with some dating merchants, but that's hard to do unless your already pushing good volume.
Are you subscribed to Rat Alliance mailing list? I got a email from them around a week ago about exclusive offers they had in LATAM. Might want to shoot him a PM hes a cool dude, maybe he can hook you up.
Sweet, thanks drock. I'll definitely shoot him an email and see if I can at least make a little more out of this.
great follow along and interested to see your progress on TJ!
I recommend trying myDates for Spain too, it's a solid offer that was recently released. Also, i'd split test different offers for the "other" traffic.
The Juicy buy ended yesterday. Ended up making $70 for the week. Wasn't bad since I got lazy with the optimization after my main offer went down. I'm thinking of making the buy again with maduras calientes since Adsimilis has just added it. For the rest of the follow along, I want to focus on conquering TJ/Exo though.
Just got my first campaign up in a Nordic country today and realized I overestimated the volume a bit. I thought the average imps/day was the amount you'd get with the avg. current bid. Stupid!
Either way I'm currently spending a few bucks an hour bidding in the top 3 NTV-A spot on Pornhub. Not really gonna cut it when I have a big enough budget to go through.
Ideally I want to be dumping in at least $100 a day so maybe I should switch to somewhere with more volume like DE/FR.
Any suggestions/ideas?
Appreciate it maynzie. I'll look into similar sites for some future buys.
I'm really trying to figure out the best place to start putting in those $100 days. Debating whether or not to just stick with TJ the entire time or get my spend up by porting and testing my campaign on other traffic sources.
I'm back, day job has been tying me down too much recently. I'm going to get more days off these upcoming weeks so I'll be able to really focus on this follow along.
I've just been pretty much letting the campaign run since the GEO is pretty small and it's taking forever to get data. I'm cool with it though because it's allowed me to learn CPV Lab and excel before I do more competitive stuff. The total stats so far look like this:
Spend: $98.33
Revenue: $57.50
P/L: -$40.83
ROI: -41.5%
Could be a lot better, but I think I've nailed down the better converting offer, ad template, and landing page style. Today I have done a few things to the LP's:
1. Changed the background on the best LP's to mimic the offer page and made another quiz style lander to test out.
2. Added an autoscroll after the user completes the quiz so the CTA is more visible.
3. Changed the images to match the ones that performed best so far in the ads (aka older ugly ass milfs with hairy, dirty women parts WTF!?)
4. Added LP-Warden to my LP's (they both suck and are getting like 30-35% CTR but I was bored 
)
I think I made a lot of changes to the campaign at once but hopefully they'll all be positive ones (like changing bg color and adding autoscroll).
I'm in the process now of getting a new campaign for a more competitive European country, I'm thinking Germany or France. I'll post more updates on that when the data comes in.
Question:
1. I know I should be shooting for 40% LP CTR, but does that depend a lot on the country? Will some countries just click through way more than others or is it generally the same for the most part?
2. Despite somewhat mediocre LP CTR's my CVR from LP to offer is only about 8-12% for a SOI. Is that normal for adult offers?
Feel free to chime in if it looks like I'm doing something wrong. Still feel like I have no clue what I'm doing really here
Alright, I'm back.
Made the adjustments to the campaign and the stats are now looking like this:
Spend: $62.36
Revenue: $58.61
P/L: -$3.75
ROI:-6.0%
Looking a little better. I'm noticing that old/ugly women generally tend to get the most clicks and tend to do best when paired with one specific angle. I think I'm going to try dumping a bunch of similar images into that angle and see if I can start to see some profit.
Also launched my first bigger campaign today. I have my bids set up for NTV-A or B and top right square on YP, PH, and Tube8. Hopefully I'll have a good amount of data to work with after these launch.
Still trying to get some more structure in my testing process though since I'm still throwing way to much shit off the wall and seeing what comes back.
When testing something like the headline/CTA/body copy of an ad is it best to keep the image the same and just change that one detail to see its effect. Or would it be better to test those and throw a new image up as well to prevent the ads from burning out too quickly with duplicate images?
Does look beter man, keep working on the testing. You're not running A and B together are you same time for same campaign?
If you're running the same campaign, this will actually kill your ROI, but you can run 2 campaigns and be in competition with yourself, that works for running A and B simultaneously otherwise it usually eats away your ROI in my experiences
Are there any placements that are not profitable?
When it comes to banner testing, I like to start with one image that I know always has a high ctr and conversion rate then test that image with around 15 different banner copy templates (the more the merrier). Then take the ad copy with the best conversion rate/ctr and test new images on this template to find more winning combinations of this banner template. With enough testing this way you eventually find a combination with a really high ctr and good conversion rate that blows up your campaign.
@maynzie
Yeah, only running either video A or video B. I have one placement that seems to be bringing in the most profit so I'll start focusing in on that one more.
@clubdrock
That's interesting. I've just been testing 3 angles w/3 different images on each and moving forward from there.
It seems like the angle is generally the most important piece of the campaign so your way of testing makes a lot of sense. I'll definitely give it a try on some of my future camps.
Also, from spying on my competition for the campaign I just launched I'm noticing 90% of all ads/landers are run through Advidi. There doesn't seem to be barely any regular affiliates running stuff w/this country currently. Is that a concern? I know their stuff is pretty optimized and am worried I won't be able to compete.
Haha, i hate those guys. They often steal my banners then put their little icons on it 
I find that you can beat them through testing and optimization if you focus your energy on a just a few placements/countries. They are so widespread that you can beat them by out optimizing them (ie getting a lower bid price because of high ctr/being able to raise bids because you have a high conversion rate or pay bump.)
The thing you have to worry about them the most is they often do large flat rate buys and thus have the first place in the ad server rotation no matter what.
Yeah, I guess I'll have to compete with them on most placement anyways. I'll give it a go and see what I can come up with.
Sorry for jumping in, but its on topic
Anybody knows good offer for Spain? I'm getting 2+% banner ctr, but dont have converting offer.
OK, had the campaigns run for about a day and a half and have some data in:
Not looking great so far but maybe I'll be able to hone in on a profitable placement. Some of the placements are outrageously priced at the moment. Some TRS spots are at over $1 CPM to get any action and I'm thinking it would be hard to get profitable there.
So far my workflow/testing process for this camp is pretty simple but I think it could definitely use some work.
For NTV placements I have 4 angles w/3 images each. One image of a younger woman, one cartoon, and one older woman.
For TRS/GIF placements I have 3 angles w/3 GIFS each. One shaking ass/tits type gif, one cartoon gif, and one of the rotating images of women.
I'm testing one rules and one quiz lander to start. Rules lander has higher CTR, but the quiz lander has higher CVR so far (8 conversions to 3).
I'm guessing from here I should just wait until all my ads reach 2x the offer payout and determine which angle/image type/lander combo is showing the most potential and go from there? I dunno if it's great but this is my system so far.
Also, when do you guys determine when to dump a placement? I'm thinking less than -50% ROI is doable but I'm not sure how much you can bring these campaigns up in adult.
Originally Posted by egan
Originally Posted by godspeed
On some better news, the campaign is up about ~$5 today on a $55 spend so far. One of the offers is starting to pull away as well with 14 conversions to the other with 4.
I'm thinking after 400 clicks total that should be statistically significant? I plugged it into the calculator Caurmen mentioned here and I'm getting a 99% probability that it's the winner. Maybe Caurmen could chime in if I did this correctly or not.
Going to throw the map lander in tonight and hopefully post stats as well.
Statistical calculation: ur doin it rite.
Yep, those stats look solid to me. I take it this offer's been running for a couple of days, too? If so I think you're probably safe going with the 14-conversion offer.
Just got the map lander up and waiting for the results. The stats for today look pretty decent I think-
I think I missed a conversion in my initial calculations but total daily stats are:
Spend: $111.86
Revenue: $125.53
Profit/Loss: $13.67
ROI: 12.2%
Pornhub is looking pretty solid and the rest are looking close to profitable.
I spent a good amount of time looking through my CPV Lab data and the breakdown for each of my 3 angles is starting to look clearer
Angle 1 - 20 Conversions
Angle 2 - 10 Conversions
Angle 3 - 9 Conversion
Also, creatives with a cartoon image for the background and text over it are killing it (8 conversions total). Old/Ugly/Aged women are doing pretty well too.
Tomorrow I'll hopefully have the results from the map lander and upload a new batch of images similar to the image types that have performing best for me so far.
Still a good amount of work to be done, but I think I can get this thing going for some decent $$$!
Looking good!
Thanks for the updates and the insight!
Does anyone know how to fix the retarded feature CPV Lab has that causes new LP's and offers to only rotate evenly after their first 100 clicks?
I added a new LP and am split testing my offer with other network but the entire first 100 clicks when to the new LP and new offer. Now I don't know if the LP is the reason for a little bit lower conversion rate or if it's the offer.
I dunno why CPV Lab would ever have their setup like this as it doesn't make much sense to me. Any workarounds for this?
That's strange, I didn't even know it did that.
What if you reduce the percentages to the new LP so that it "evens" out?
Originally Posted by JasperP
It seems the best option would be to reupload the original LP and assign it a new ID #. This would make both landing pages "fresh" and give them even rotation if that makes sense.
Another update for the days stats -
Spend: $111.12
Revenue: $137.28
Profit/Loss: $26.16
ROI: 23.5%
Looking a little better. It's weird seeing that big of an ROI turnaround from yesterday on PH-NTVA, but I guess with the small spend anything can happen.
Also, it looks like the original landing page is just barely edging out the map lander. I'm going to let them both run for one more day to make sure. The map lander has over 50% CTR compared to the original quiz style with 38%. I guess the quiz must do a better job at selling the offer though.
It's starting to look like ClickDealer is pulling away from Adsimilis in the network split test as well. Going to keep testing both to make sure.
With the ad creatives, older women/cartoon images are still bringing in a majority of the profits. Looking at all the data from the past few days I'm starting to think the image is almost more important than the angle in terms of LP CTR and CVR(although I guess it is part of the angle in a way). Across all 3 templates older women images have higher CTR/CVR's despite whatever the copy says.
I uploaded 6 more cartoon images and 6 more old women images today and paused the creatives that weren't getting any conversions. Should get approved tomorrow morning, but I know TJ is pretty slow some days.
Going to keep optimizing and hopefully hit some decent profits on Sunday when I have the LP/offer/creatives more nailed down!
Good stuff man!
I'd rethink how much you're sharing here about your campaigns, though..
Originally Posted by nebuer
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