Red Serpent Rushing to the Mobile Wonderland (27)
Preparations
At the moment I'm preparing to this journey by reading Angry Russians 14 days to Master Mobile Marketing Guide.
After that I'm going to join/try to join to the mobile ad networks, which have traffic to the regions that I'm targeting.
I don't have company website or company, so that's why "try to". The guide may provide some instructions to this.
I'm a member of enough CPA-networks for starters, so that is covered.
Last thing before launch is to pick up the offers, target countries and setup the tracking with Prosper202.
Level of mobile marketing knowledge: Novice
The Plan: Start to make money with mobile advertising. God Yeah! Keep it simple.
First Goal: Make first conversion. For this I don't set any time limit. It happens when it happens. Oh Yeah!
For other things the deadline to get them done is Tuesday 24.9, because I don't know if I can join to the networks during the weekend.
Main reason for this follow up is to keep myself focused and hopefully get some advice along the flight.
I dedicate this follow up to the all beautiful women with big boobs and great asses. God Bless Them All!
Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Especially all the mistakes I'm going to make, just kick me to the nuts right away please.
Hi Red Serpent. I'll definitely keep checking your follow along. Do you want to focus on mainstream offers or try adult?
I didn't have any problems joining ad networks without a company website. I don't think it's necessary. Just make sure to contact someone after you sign up and show them that you're a serious advertiser.
Hi mstm,
Thank you for the interest, I've been reading your follow along as well. Very good stuff!
I think that you are more mentally disciplined than I am, so maybe I get motivation for that sector from your thread also!
About the networks, I think someone are easier to get approved than others. I'm a member of a few, including that Buzzcity, was total disaster for me.
Maybe someone with lots of experience or luck can do better there, who knows. Oh Yeah!
It may be that some of the networks I'm going to get into now, are harder to get accepted. I don't know yet.
Can you tell me what you mean by "to contact someone"?
EDIT: about your question about verticals, I'm not yet decided what I'm going after first. It could mainstream/casual/adult dating, health, and pretty much everything that I've had some success before. God Yeah!
I meant that it's a good idea to try to reach someone and add him on Skype so that you can get faster approvals, answers to your questions, etc. Some networks will give you contact info straight away, with other you'll have to spend some money.
Firstly, best title ever. I thought the red serpent was another word for the FTC.
Looking for to seeing you crush it mate!
Thank you for your comments!
I've signed couple of networks and thinking this kind of plan. Everyone has a plan. You must have a plan.
The question is, does my plan suck or does it make any sense?
The Plan
Start with 2-3 offers in THREE networks (same offers in every network) that should have traffic in my target area, let them run for a few
days, and see what has happened.
What I'm going to look for after few days is what network seems to deliver most imps./clicks, conversions
even, and then give more emphasis (English is not my first language, so this may be weird to read) to the network
that has the best results.
Maybe test more offers in best performing network, and in three days try to figure out why the two other networks don't work so well.
Contact them, testing other verticals, something like that.
I have total of seven networks that I'm going to start with. At this point I'm not thinking about scaling, since I've got
nothing to scale.
If I get into all these networks, I will do the same kind of test to the rest four of them one week later.
I understand that with this "same offer in every network" I will probably compete against myself, but after few days test
period I'll run different offers in different networks, or/and drop them that don't seem to deliver anything.
The purpose of this kind of testing is to see what networks seem to perform best for the offers/region that I'm
going to target.
Like I said earlier, I have tested some networks before, and the traffic info what they have given, has been totally
wrong. So I think only way to find the right networks is to test them after recon. (where they should have traffic).
Does this make any sense at all? Feel free to kick me to the nuts if this is totally pathetic way to start.
God Yeah!
That looks like a very sensible plan. Just to clarify, by "networks" here, do you mean affiliate networks or traffic sources?
Yeah it's a little confusing to understand what your plan is please clarify about aff networks or ad networks.
Thank you for your replies.
Yes, actually my head felt like a beehive while writing that, and looking at it now, it is impossible to understand that message.
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I meant that I would start in three mobile traffic networks, and 3-4 offers, which might be all from one affiliate network or different networks.
Then I would run all those same affiliate offers, in all three mobile traffic networks, to see what seems to work for particular network.
I'd like to pick four different affiliate offers, all from very different verticals, because I hope to find something interesting faster that way.
Everything takes place on one continent. Offers and target lands are still partly unclear, most traffic networks joined, couple are pending.
Affiliate network situation is OK for now. Next I'm going to learn how to set up tracking correctly for mobile traffic.
Then I would repeat the same process to the rest of the networks, to get a grip what type of vertical seems to get some results and where. I feel that this
message is starting to get messy again, so I stop now, because I think the idea is now still understandable, but is it reasonable at all? Worth of trying or total disaster?
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Today I got to chill out. God yeah. Can't see straight anymore and god damn bats are starting to stretch their wings...Nope, I'm not on dope, I'm just bloody weird.
Now I go before this is unreadable again. Any insights greatly appreciated.
Have a Great Saturday night Ladies and Gentlemen!
I would really advise to start on one traffic network mate. Take one step at a time.
I hear you Mr Green, thank you for your comment. I tend go a little bit overdrive when I'm interested in something. That's why it's a great thing that here are people with more experience and patience than I do.
However I need to compromise here and still stick to two traffic networks. The reason is described below.
Adult/casual offers are probably always going to be part of my active offers. What I've understood is that many traffic networks don't allow that type of offers.
That's why I'm going to run the adult offer in one network, and the rest in another. I drop the "network split-testing" idea at least for now. That simplifies things a lot I think.
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At this point I've chosen the initial offers and joined enough traffic networks to start with. The goal is the same that by Tuesday evening I've got tracking ready (STM Mobile Tracker V 3/4 + Prosper202), and I'm able to launch the campaigns. I'm not very good at technical side of things, but I think that I'm able to setup everything by then.
One thing came up, what I was going to do after the campaigns were live, that is to make own banners to the some of the offers. I know that generally it's always best to do this right away before launching any campaigns, but I don't think banner blindness wouldn't have been issue at the moment, but I decided to launch two offers that don't have any banners, so I need to make them.
That is one thing that I might actually enjoy the most; doing my own banners, landing pages and testing what works and what not. That's why this is actually a good thing even if it delays the launch day or two for two campaigns. I have very little experience in that field also, but I've already seen great guides on this forum, and had pretty good understanding already what tools I need for basic banner/lander making.
This post is so boring that I try to add some value to it. (If this is against rules, my humblest apologies)
Oh Yeah!
Have a successful week everyone!
Hi everyone,
Hope you're doing great!
I got attacked by a huge bunch of rodents, but recovered, and sun is shining again. God Yeah!
I finally got my prosper202 mobile tracker installed yesterday, so preparations are done.
My whole budget to this project is 4000$, which includes everything; advertising costs, if I need to buy
something project related etc.
I've got two offers and the purpose is to get them live today. The payout for them is 15.75$ - 20$.
Since these are quite high payments to start with, I'm going to set the spending limit to 3 x offer. If I'm not
profitable until then, and looks like that never going to be, I'll change the offer and network.
I have to run these in two separate traffic networks, since the other offer is adult. That one I'll run in Exo. There is still
little bit decision making where I'm starting with the non-adult first, but it will soon be clear. Oh yeah!
One thing about servers. What I've red here the VPS seems to be absolute must, dedicated even better.
My hosting is on Hostgator, and so far I never had any problems with them. I had a live chat with some
customer service agent, and explained the situation that soon my traffic will increase, so do I need to
upgrade to VPS. The answer was no. So I'm still in the low end of hosting.
However, I tend to believe more the people of this forum more, who have actual experience about this, so
what do you think? I start with two offers, and the traffic is probably not going to be server blowing
right from the start. Should I stay on my current package or update to this http://hostgator.com/vps-hosting/
3GB VPS.
I'm not trying to be cheap snake here, I just don't know when I should upgrade, since everything seems to run
smoothly. Or is it an illusion? Damn it!
I'll get back to this when the campaigns are properly setup and live. Hopefully later today.
Have a great Saturday and watch out those damn rodents.
Every comment of any part of the post is greatly appreciated.
Originally Posted by red_serpent
Thank you for your reply.
However, I'm going to test these first
They are not going to bust my budget because I have this 3 X payout limit. So the maximum damage is little bit under 120$.
If this not going to work, I have to change my target countries to get more volume. Especially to those non-adult offers,
and try lower cost offers.
I have some problems with mobile-Prosper202 tracking. Got get some information, there is thread about that.
Do you use Prosper202-mobile for tracking? If you do, what kind of hosting package do you have?
Mobile Rush - What is going on?
Preparations were not done, now they should be. You see, my hosting plan wasn't good enough, so I had to get a better one.
Now I've got Packet 2048 from Beyond Hosting and STM mobile tracker is not giving anymore error messages when I test my
outbound links = Tracking seems to be working. I took first Starter package, but it wasn't enough. If you have lots of technical skills you might get STM tracker to work with it.
Maybe. The explanation was a bit unclear.
I don't have any data yet though, but first campaign is pending, so maybe I soon will. At this point I've got very little idea how
to analyze the data, and what conclusions to made with it, but it will get all clear at some point. Oh Yeah!
The plan is a living thing. At least my plan is, since it's not yet officially live (it's officially live when approved by Black Baron of Kent &
when the first campaign is live), so the changes at this point are not that bad. After going live, it's better to stick to the plan.
Otherwise everything is quite same:
- Start with two offers, little bit lower payout now, around 10$ both.
- No adult offers, original plan was one adult, one "normal".
- Test budget per offer is 4 x payout, since the payout is lower, instead of 3 x.
- Two networks, one offer/ one network. (One of the main tasks is to determine which networks are able to provide quality traffic to the countries I'm interested in at this moment, and probably will be for awhile.)
- One new twist is to change the offers from one network to another, when the half of a budget is reached by one of the campaigns.
- Exception to this is if some of the campaign is doing very well, then I let it run, and duplicate it to the another network.
- My purpose is to cover all the niches I'm most involved in. Now I go two networks/two niches at the time. When I have profitable campaigns in first two niches, I move to the next two niches.
Originally Posted by Mr Green
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I'll give one example what kind of situations are very confusing to the newbies like me. As I told before I've done some testing in mobile, before joining here
because I couldn't get any results. I have some money left in couple of accounts which are not going to be a part this plan, let's call the plan Mobile Rush from now on for the sake of simplicity.
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Ok, I asked my rep at Inmobi how could I get volume to my offers. I had total of four campaigns there. Answer was that I should increase my daily budget, to put it simply.
I did it, and three of the offers didn't get anymore traffic than usual, but the one got +30K imps and 164 clicks in couple of hours. (usually it got average maybe 1 click a day) The time of the day was one of the slowest when it comes to people clicking offers. 164 clicks = 0 conversions. (good converter)
What might have happened here? Why only this one offer got traffic, and pretty decent amount of clicks in a worst time of the day? This is just one example of situations
where newbies like me don't have a clue what just happened.
That campaign have been live for weeks, and suddenly it gets 10 times of clicks in two hours than in two weeks before, while other programs stay "dead" with similar adjustments.
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Is there a question here?
Yes. How should newbies handle these kinds of extraordinary events? These are good learning opportunities.
Is the best thing to ask pros in this forum?
I think it is, what do you think?
Any comments greatly appreciated.
InMobi has different amounts of traffic for different countries and ad sizes. In one country you can get a lot of traffic with 300x250 ads, in another you won't get anything while you'll get hundreds of clicks with 320x50 ads. Moreover, you'll get more or less impressions depending on your bids, CTR of your ads and probably also funds on your account. You just have to keep testing different geos and targeting.
Thank you for your reply.
I have tested Inmobi enough for now, and it's not going to be on a project MOBILE RUSH list of networks.
Biggest impact have absolutely been that daily budget limit raising, One offer from same country didn't get any traffic.
Quality of clicks that I got was buzzcity level. (I have this campaign in normal Prosper202 so I can see the referrers.)
I'm sure Inmobi is a good network for many countries, but not for those that I'm after now. Geos are set. I want to find traffic for those
Geos, not the other way round. Maybe I need Inmobi later for some other Geos, I think it's a good network, just a little bit surprised where those clicks came from.
After all I can't really test anything properly until the first mobile offer is delivering data to the STM-tracker, and I know what to do with it. Hot Damn!
Ignore the described Innobi incident. It is just used as an example. The point is to try see with newbie eyes the situations like that when they happen. Solving this particular case is not an issue here. Like what to do if the traffic looks suspicious. (referrers, time etc. are strange)
Sorry for being unclear about that.
More comments please!
You shouldn't concern yourself with the quality of the traffic source because different ad networks work for different countries and offers. I noticed that many newbies (including me in the past) like to blame the traffic source for no results. That's not the case, it's just that each traffic source is different for something else. Instead of checking for "suspicious" traffic (If you think about it logically, what would such a high-profile traffic source as InMobi gain from it? If people didn't get results with them they wouldn't keep spending money) it's better to spend this time testing different things. In my opinion instead of investigating such issues either talk with the support of the traffic source or test different things (e.g. different ad size).
I think you don't get my point here at all. The reason why I'm going to do testing this way, is because I DO understand that every network has traffic that is better for different countries and niches. That's why I need to test them, so I can find them. Matching country + offer to traffic source is what brings money in. That's how I see it. With the current tracking tools I think it shouldn't take very long to find something interesting.
If you don't concern yourself with the quality of the traffic source, how will you ever find the traffic that you need? That's why I'm testing all my niches of interests in all pre-chosen networks in a rotation kind of style. Testing methods differ, but my system makes enough sense for me to start with. One offer from any niche doesn't say much, but right now I'm more interested to find the networks, that have quality traffic for my countries of interests. Then do more intense testing niche/offer wise, and ad more offers when the network are familiar to speed up things.
Of course you could pick one traffic source and test dozens of offers from different niches until you find something that works. It just isn't my thing.
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I wouldn't say that I blame Inmobi anywhere about my results, If I do, where? I only say that the burst of traffic from those sources looked very suspicious, because of many factors. I haven't ever blamed any network from my bad results, so please don't put me in that whiner category. I'm not the type who blames other people from their own mistakes. In any area of life. Kind of pisses me off.
Originally Posted by mstm
I also say that: "I'm sure Inmobi is a good network for many countries, but not for those that I'm after now."I think that Inmobi is one of the top traffic networks, it just not working for my purposes at the moment. That is the main reason I used it as an example. That's all I've got to say about Inmobi, this is useless, and takes time from more important things.
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How you do your testing? Or someone else.
That would be very interesting to hear.
And I'd agree with mstm on pretty much everything so far. Low-payout offers are the way to go if you're cash-limited, preferably tied to low CPCs from, for example, non-English-speaking countries.
Yeah.
Hello & Hell no!
It seem that I'm in a middle of some kind of semi-burnout, because I can read, but I just don't understand what I'm reading.
In other words, I haven't been able to set up tracking for Prosper202 or STM mobile tracker.
Here are the five threads that should solve this issue perfectly, (I've red much more, but I think these are the most relevant.)
The Simple Guide To Prosper 202 Campaign Setup
The Ultimate Guide To Getting Offer URLs Running In CPVLab, STM Tracker Or Prosper202
Postbacks And Pixels: Everything You Need To Know For P202, STM Tracker or CPVLab
How to install the STM Mobile Tracker V3/4
How To Set Up A Campaign With The STM Mobile Tracker V3/V4
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For a sake of simplicity I'm only going to setup the tracking to the Cake platform for now.
I've managed to do this:
5) Now, if you're using Prosper 202, add "&s2=[[subid]]" to the end of your link. If you're using CPVLab, add "&s2=" to the end of your link. Your link should now look likeCode:
http://someURL?somequerystring&s1=Campaign14&s2=[[subid]]
Then something very strange happens and I start seeing things. No I don't.
What happens is that my brains kind of freeze here and they start thinking about the Tokens.
What about the Tokens, God damn Tokens?
Tokens:
Have I tried the link for some offer? No I haven't. Why? Very hard to say, that's why I wrote this "tracking for retards" thread.
What should I do with them? There are these [c1] - [c8] variables. Should they been used or what?
My level of technical know how has to be clear at this point, so please answer accordingly.
My main purpose to join this forum for now was to get the tracking working both on Prosper-WEB/WAP
I just can't see how that link without any additional parameters can pull all the information that I need. Like those tokens in a picture.
Or all the mobile data: device, carrier etc.
Is it just that link that I should create for every offer, get links from Prosper without putting any additional info there, and set a global post back if possible, or a pixel?
Then make a campaign in my traffic source using that link?
This makes me f*****g insane!
I would be very grateful if someone could help me with this, and tell me like a five year old how I can get these trackers going.
Thank you
Hey, those [c1] - [c8] variables are for anything else you want to track if the network provides any tokens. If they don't, you don't need to worry about them. If you're using STMs mobile tracker, you don't need to worry about adding additional tokens for carrier, OS and handset. That data will be picked up by the tracker.
When you setup your aff link, add the [[subid]] to the end of the URL and nothing else. Include any [c1] - [c8] variables when you go to '#7 Get Links' if you want.
Once you setup a few campaigns, it's actually really easy. Hope this helps.
You're actually right about everything - the link you've posted looks correctly formatted.
Don't over-think it for now - you don't need to use the tokens or the C1 - C8 variables yet. Just put that link into the tracker, set up a postback according to the postback guide, and test it - I think you'll find it'll work fine
The STM tracker automatically tracks carrier, handset, OS and location without you needing to do anything more.
Let me know if you have any more problems!
Thank you both for your answers!
That cleared my brains for now, and showed them that it's OK to use that link, so my fingers can do their work.
I've also understand that too much at the one time is too much. (what a sentence, OH GOD!)
That's why I need to take few steps back to maintain better my previous income sources.
Also one new traffic method at the time before I'll get it working. Otherwise everything goes to the too hot place.
Now It's mobile and nothing else.
May the hot babes be with you.
Perfect , now that you got tracking solved you should be on your way.
And wise choice to stick with mobile only.
It's going only to become bigger and scaling is easy.
Keep us updated!
Hey man, how's this going?
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