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Why does Xhamster suck? (20)

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From my personal experience and countless many other stories/case studies I've seen out there.. xhamster is terrible for CTR and conversions? Which is unfortunate because its hands down the biggest porn site around.

Why is that?

Unless you have experienced otherwise, perhaps you could elaborate?

IMO, I think the advertisers that are successful on that site are only making it work because they have very nice pay bumps on the offers they're pushing to make it work... meaning they do a shit ton of volume.

Thoughts?

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According to Alexa, pornhub is bigger, but quantcast says xhamster by a long shot.

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Xhamster does well. Just have to know what/where to buy on it.

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Great reply here: http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...l=1#post112264

In my opinion, xHamster doesn't suck, it's extremely competitive. Try different angles and something should work.

By the way, before dr_ngo's post I wanted to test A/B on xHamster but didn't find NTV-B in premiums; probably someone bought it completely

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xham has lots of legit traffic, and maybe some bot traffic too? Not really any other explanation for why the exact same ad / lp from TJ same placement except the site will get half the ctr and half the LP ctr from LP to offer page. Just part of the game have to deal with it or not run there.

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Pornhub Network is owned by Manwin what runs a couple of paid sites and are like the no. 1 'players' in the porn industry online. It receives a shitload of organic traffic which is king in any niche. Moreover, the pornhub network is sometimes advertised / shown on their pay sites which gives you visitors that are paid porn customers, it doesn't get more premium. Moreover, Pornhub/Youporn are like the starters in terms of porn tubes (at lease those which survived best) and (likely) are very well known among the older demos which are likely to convert better, pay out better for the advertiser than young dudes who are familiar with every porntube out there that' for free.

Different sites, different demos. Just like with any campaign on FB / PPV / managed buys, demos are different. There is definitely something that's working on xhamster. Personally I struggle to get profitable there as well consistently, but in the end it's all about the demo of a site which you have to match. There's always an offer suitable for the demo and I wouldn't be surprised people see similiar ROIs on exo as on tj if you've found the right angle / campaign. Beside that, CTR / CR: don't forget exo is around 50% cheaper than TJ on top bids too, which justifies worse stats too.

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I get insane CTR's on xHamster... (AD and LP). Conversions is what keeps me thinking. Kinda irregular.

What I have noticed in xHamster is that the country and placement will behave differently, as many other have said, you gotta try each placement, tube, and also country as a different camp.

Try focusing in just one placement, then make 3 camps for 3 different countries, 2 or 3 angles, ADS and LP for different demo. What works with US maybe won't work for UK, as I've experienced.

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I still havn't figured out Xhamster yet, definitey a tougher site to crack in my opinion. Just gotta keep tryin I guess

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It doesn't suck at all , I've bought lots of traffic from it and quality was also good.

You just need to spend a lot of money to optimize and bid smart.

Also , make sure you use the exo pixel to help you with cutting bad banners fast.

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Although not my favourite of the targets, you can make Xhmaster work for sure!

Maybe Exoclick will work if you lower your freq cap to 1-2 a day .....

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I have noticed the same thing. It is definitely a mixed traffic source. For me I only have found one profitable campaign of the dozens I've done over the last few months on XHamster. The rest have flopped.

So I guess xham isn't terrible in terms of traffic as I've tested hundreds of traffic sources, perhaps just mediocre and very large? And at times disappointing. Who knows.

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What geo's and what products are you promoting. We got some successful guys on there, it can send quite some volume

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exo's adserver "glitches" out frequently, showing 30 creatives in 30 seconds, rotating through all of them after 1 second, particularly in cases where a video has been removed or url not found etc. That's why the number of impressions they say they have is very significantly inflated to the actual number of unique users / viewers on their site. It's also why your CTRs are so much lower than they are on other traffic sources, i.e., if you run EXO YP / PH vs TJ YP / PH, trafficjunky, your TJ ctr's will be way higher, because TJ doesn't just show your ad for 1 second and refresh to another ad, they actually show your ad for the time the viewer is on the page, whereas EXO frequently will rotate through a ton of banners to boost their ROI at the cost of yours. It's just different ways the two companies conduct themselves. One of exo's owners is in this forum, would be nice if he'd address this adserver issue if it is an actual glitch.

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Hey Keepitsimple, that would explain a lot of things. I've spent $3,200+ in the last 3 weeks with Exoclick and due to CC payments limitations there I stopped till' I can send wires.

Would be nice if an Exoclick rep on this forum comes forward and tell us a little more about how their AD Platform performs.

If I could target specific devices (iPhone/Androids) with TJ that would be great.

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@Cosmeivan. They have that limit as a protection against fraud. I got exo to raise my cc limit by just asking nice.

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Yeah Francis, I asked for a raise and got it to $3k/month instead of 1.5k.

You know that feeling when you get your camp optimized for 80% ROI and suddenly your advertising balance is 0, you hit your CC spending limit and on top of that is weekend?

BTW, has anyone used Xoom or any other service to send intl wires online?

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80% ROI on exo? NICE!

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they raised mine over 3k. send another support ticket and say you'll have to run everything on TJ from now on if they can't raise your limit further

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@itsjustbrian yeah, but PornHub.

@francis, gonna email them right now. They gotta understand $3k is gone in 3 days of traffic from those tubes

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xetrade.com works well if you're willing to pay a $75 fee per transfer. Ideally though it'd be best if you could find a bank that let you send them through their online platform.

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