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How many impressions to judge if banner is good or not ? (7)


05-14-2013 10:03 PM #1 dailytime2 (Member)
How many impressions to judge if banner is good or not ?

Hey guys,

How many impressions do you give to a banner before you know if you keep it or not ?

Thanks


05-15-2013 12:32 AM #2 maynzie (Moderator)

Too broad a question, what source, vertical, angle/broad/niche?


05-15-2013 01:16 AM #3 cataclysm1987 (Member)

I dunno.

It depends on if you're going CPA or CPS, what your niche is, what your payout is, etc...

I do CPA right now and the payouts are around 5-10 dollars, so I know within around 20-30k impressions whether or not an ad is working as it will typically generate me a conversion by then or will show some promising data like high LP CTR on CPV lab.

It's different for every niche. If you are trying to build a list and get someone to pull out a credit card...well that could take 100k or 1 or 2 million impressions to determine.

Like Maynzie said...depends on the niche really.


05-15-2013 10:15 AM #4 caurmen (Administrator)

Your best approach is to figure out what CTR and signup rate you need for the offer/traffic source combination you're promoting, then use a statistical calculator like this one to determine when you're reasonably certain you will/won't hit that with each banner.

(I've got a mini-tutorial on doing this coming up soon - watch this space.)


05-15-2013 10:39 AM #5 Finch (Moderator)

I generally make pretty quick decisions with banners based on intuition. When you've been working in the same niche long enough, you get a good idea of what has potential. I can normally see within 5-10K impressions whether it's going to be a contender.

You'll need a lot more data to get anywhere close to statistical significance. But if every affiliate relied on that, we'd all have been broke before we made our first dollar.


05-15-2013 06:18 PM #6 caurmen (Administrator)

Depends what you're talking about, I'd say - signup rate or CTR. Unless your clickthrough rate is absolutely tiny, you'll hit statistical significance on CTR fairly rapidly for lower confidence levels: 10k impressions on a banner with a CTR of 0.28% is above 0.2% at 80% confidence - which means only a 10% chance it's actually a loser.

Signup rates take longer to converge, though, I agree. I tend to use statistical significance stuff for negative sets there - calculating the maximum likely signup rate for a low-performing banner, and killing it if there's no chance it's going to get to a decent positive number.

Intuition and "feel" definitely work too once you have the experience. A mathematician friend of mine told me a while ago that in practise, the difference between an expert's intuition and actual statistical certainty tends to only be about 20%. Add in the fact that a human brain can spot patterns in a way that stat calculations can't and an expert affiliate may well be 95% as accurate as statistical significance whilst spending a lot less on data.


05-15-2013 07:29 PM #7 fjk87 (Veteran Member)

I think going for the mix of data + experience is obviously best. Don't forget all the data we get is pretty limited in the beginning, I bet everybody has seen clear winners turning into losers faster than expected and vice versa.


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