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30 Day Facebook/Adult Follow Along. Let's help the world (not) get laid! (35)


05-14-2013 01:18 AM #1 badger (Member)
30 Day Facebook/Adult Follow Along. Let's help the world (not) get laid!

So I have been flirting with Facebook and Adult for quite some time now, but I can't seem to pull the trigger and take them home for a ménage à trois. I'm hoping this follow along will keep me accountable, jack up my volume, and push myself to learn some innovative methods.

I'll be outing some offers, creatives and landing pages along the way to make this more interesting. I appreciate all constructive criticism and input you can give me!

The Goal:

I want to hit $700-1K of profit in a 7 day period. I'm not interested in a big day of profit.. I want to see a replicable method in my madness.

I'll report back tomorrow. Stay tuned, you sexy stackers


05-14-2013 02:00 AM #2 redrummr (Member)

FB with adult offers, or FB and adult as separate traffic sources?


05-14-2013 07:43 AM #3 vidivo (Member)

looking forward too it homies


05-14-2013 06:01 PM #4 badger (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by redrummr View Post
FB with adult offers, or FB and adult as separate traffic sources?
Sorry should have made that clear- FB and adult as separate traffic sources.

After I made this post I was worried about overextending myself dealing with two new traffic sources.. since that tends to be a habit of mine. As I have the most experience in mainstream dating I've decided to focus 80% on FB and 20% on adult. I know it's important to hold back your ADD and master those traffic sources one by one, but I also think there is some benefit in pushing the comfort zone and just trying new things.


05-14-2013 08:39 PM #5 prospect (AMC Alumnus)

I consider myself as a newbie even if I have been able to earn up to $1K a day with dating offers on FB but if you want my advice, focus at least the same on adult than on FB. It is very frustrating when you have worked very hard to finally have a profitable campaign and Facebook choose this moment to banned your account!

That saying, I would be glad to help you if you post your follow along here.


05-15-2013 01:11 AM #6 badger (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by prospect View Post
I consider myself as a newbie even if I have been able to earn up to $1K a day with dating offers on FB but if you want my advice, focus at least the same on adult than on FB. It is very frustrating when you have worked very hard to finally have a profitable campaign and Facebook choose this moment to banned your account!

That saying, I would be glad to help you if you post your follow along here.
Point taken. I may start 80/20 FB/Adult but there's always time to flip that ratio around. I understand the risks of being an affiliate on FB but I'd like to apply my POF knowledge immediately and finally get some good volume going.

Thanks for the support!


05-15-2013 01:20 AM #7 badger (Member)

Day 1

Costs:$0
Revenue:$0
Profit:$0

Started simple and launched a French facebook app today. I'm still waiting for approval, hence all the 0's you're seeing.

France seems like a good place to target on the 'book. Relatively low clicks, a decent selection of offers and the language barrier makes this a pretty sweet market in my opinion. I'll be launching Be2 FR tomorrow, so we should (hopefully) have more to talk about.


05-15-2013 02:08 AM #8 prospect (AMC Alumnus)

Let me know if you need some translation, my French is as good as my English is bad!
It's my first language and my grammar is excellent! (Just to PM me.)

I have been successful in central Europe countries like Germany, Finland, Sweden, Denmark etc., you could try these too.


05-17-2013 12:13 AM #9 badger (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by prospect View Post
Let me know if you need some translation, my French is as good as my English is bad!
It's my first language and my grammar is excellent! (Just to PM me.)

I have been successful in central Europe countries like Germany, Finland, Sweden, Denmark etc., you could try these too.
Much appreciated my man I'll send a PM right now


05-17-2013 12:15 AM #10 badger (Member)

**I'll be resuming this followalong tomorrow. I've had some bad luck with offers (app getting paused the day my ads were approved, problems with network redirects, etc) as long with real life family events getting in the way. I do have one campaign up and running and will have a little bit of data tomorrow


05-17-2013 02:20 AM #11 prospect (AMC Alumnus)

I sent you a contact request via Skype, we should talk soon!


05-17-2013 09:06 AM #12 dailytime2 (Member)

Hey there,

Just make sure you dont use expressions from Quebec. Especially when it comes to dating
If you need help for French reviews, Im native and be glad to help.

I can also enter in almost every ad network in France because I own a French CPM ad network.

Good luck.


05-18-2013 02:37 AM #13 badger (Member)

(The Real) Day 1
Costs: -$10
Revenue: $0
Profit: -$10


Today I spent just a bit of money testing images for a direct linked Be2 40+ male campaign in France. I had no real expectations and got 0 conversions.

Here is a screenshot of my best ad today, as well as my targeting and other info:



I tested a handful of images, all with the same copy. I know fridays suck for dating, but .05 ctr isn't gonna cut it for the best performance.

I'm generally following the bidding strategy outlined in Finch's premium post volume 2 and will increase the budget and drop the bids (if the ctr allows it) as I go along.

I had a long chat with Prospect who gave me some great tips on Facebook.. but his main concern was that targeting so broadly without interests, angles, etc would not work well for me. Indeed I'm coming from the POF mentality where each viewer is an online dater already and is much more susceptible to signing up for another dating offer.

I'm sure targeting broad on facebook can work but it probably requires a ton of titty picture image testing that I might not have the stomach for. Or perhaps really cheap traffic (latin america, SE asia) with little competition.

Anyway I should probably stop making conclusions after $10 worth of data haha. I will have more volume and more countries coming up soon, so stay tuned!


05-19-2013 11:46 PM #14 dailytime2 (Member)

French is not good man, people won't click on this, we can see from a mile away it's not serious.
We say une fille not un fille.

"Une" is used for female, "un" is used for male whick makes your sentence funny for us.

Also even if im not an expert in dating, id say that you don't use any angle.

Let me know if you want me to translate couple of things, ill be glad to help for free.


05-21-2013 12:58 AM #15 badger (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by dailytime2 View Post
French is not good man, people won't click on this, we can see from a mile away it's not serious.
We say une fille not un fille.

"Une" is used for female, "un" is used for male whick makes your sentence funny for us.

Also even if im not an expert in dating, id say that you don't use any angle.

Let me know if you want me to translate couple of things, ill be glad to help for free.
Yeah I should probably doublecheck my fiverr translations. Thanks for the offer- I've since paused this campaign but I'll hit you up when I return to France.

You're right about the angle.. in classic fashion I started with some weak ass shit since I'm new with FB and wasn't too confident on the platform. I know from POF that angles make or break your campaign, so if I'm going to lose money testing, I might as well be proactive with it.

Also- I've since learned that images like the one above won't command shit for CTR. FB has apparently gotten looser than POF with their image approvals (who knew?), so tits, teenagers, and miniskirts are all the rage these days


05-21-2013 01:05 AM #16 badger (Member)

** no data to report for yesterday. My app ads were in approval all weekend but started running today, so I'll have something to report on tomorrow. This week I plan to launch a handful of fb apps as well as my first adult campaign by friday.

Sorry for all the delays, real life and other projects have been getting in the way. I know this followalong has been about as exciting as the home and gardening channel, but I promise I'll get the ball rolling.


05-21-2013 02:47 AM #17 stackman (Administrator)

Hey badger,

Right now it's like your going to war with a massive sword in 1 hand and a bow/arrow in the other. You'll kill a lot faster using both hands and just 1 weapon of choice.

DEFINITELY do 1 traffic source at a time! It's very hard to make money without full understanding of the traffic source your buying from, and trying to buy from 2 of the biggest types of a big mess.

Stick with 1 source and then try different offers, you'll thank me


05-21-2013 03:32 AM #18 tmcalvin (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by stackman View Post
Right now it's like your going to war with a massive sword in 1 hand and a bow/arrow in the other. You'll kill a lot faster using both hands and just 1 weapon of choice.
I like that analogy


05-21-2013 03:39 AM #19 maynzie (Moderator)

I was just about to quote it too ahaha, that is badass jordan hahahahaha


05-21-2013 08:19 AM #20 fjk87 (Veteran Member)

+1 for sticking to a source. Beside that, I feel like you're testing too many images right off the bat. You've spent $10 on a couple of creatives, from the image I can see actually just one image spent more than the offer payout. With spends like 2-3$ ranges, you're hardly spending 50% of 1x payout of the offer - you would have to hit a golden winner right away to see if it's working. Try to reduce that to gather some more data, even if your budget is tight, you have to at least commit a little bit to be able to draw ANY conclusions out of your first runs.

Just don't look at the total spent when testing, look at the spent per creative. Often enough you'll find campaigns running (for instance on adult) where you set up 10 creatives let's say, you've spent already $40 and have made back only 10. Looks poor in the stats, but actually you've spent not even the payout per creative which makes optimization impossible at that stage.


05-22-2013 03:11 AM #21 badger (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by stackman View Post
Hey badger,

Right now it's like your going to war with a massive sword in 1 hand and a bow/arrow in the other. You'll kill a lot faster using both hands and just 1 weapon of choice.

DEFINITELY do 1 traffic source at a time! It's very hard to make money without full understanding of the traffic source your buying from, and trying to buy from 2 of the biggest types of a big mess.

Stick with 1 source and then try different offers, you'll thank me
Facebook it is then. Thanks for getting my ADD in line.


05-22-2013 03:16 AM #22 badger (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by fjk87 View Post
+1 for sticking to a source. Beside that, I feel like you're testing too many images right off the bat. You've spent $10 on a couple of creatives, from the image I can see actually just one image spent more than the offer payout. With spends like 2-3$ ranges, you're hardly spending 50% of 1x payout of the offer - you would have to hit a golden winner right away to see if it's working. Try to reduce that to gather some more data, even if your budget is tight, you have to at least commit a little bit to be able to draw ANY conclusions out of your first runs.

Just don't look at the total spent when testing, look at the spent per creative. Often enough you'll find campaigns running (for instance on adult) where you set up 10 creatives let's say, you've spent already $40 and have made back only 10. Looks poor in the stats, but actually you've spent not even the payout per creative which makes optimization impossible at that stage.
I understand $10 is too quick to make any real judgments. Be2 is a fine offer and I can always come back later when I get a better angle. I just wasn't in the mood to try to make a no-angle direct linked test campaign with poor ctr and no conversions "work". I've since put up a couple apps which show some promise and I'll be sticking with those.


As for testing too many images- I'm used to POF where I can easily go up to 20 at a time. Would you recommend around 5 instead?

Thanks!


05-22-2013 03:47 AM #23 badger (Member)

Day 2
Costs: -$14.90
Revenue: $12
Profit: -$2.90


So my app finally got approved (are you interested- south africa) and there looks to be some traction. Cool shit.

As always, there's that one girl that's whoring all the impressions. But at least she does a good job this time around.



I am at a slight loss as to what I do in my workflow right now.. but I guess that's all part of trying a new traffic source. I'm following finch's facebook strategy in his 2nd premium post, so today I raised my daily budget to $20 and reduced by bid on my (only) high performing ad, while keeping the others the same in hopes they get some impressions as well. In the meantime, I'll be asking friends and checking other guides/followalongs to see how people play the 'book.

Launched one more app today (AYI Ireland). Tomorrow I'm headed home from my trip and will get my ass back in gear.

Until then, boys.


05-22-2013 03:10 PM #24 stackman (Administrator)

Nice progress, keep trying more countries, more ideas, more ads and more landing pages.

The more you try, the more winning combinations you'll crack. It's all about testing, more you test, the more you win.


05-22-2013 07:15 PM #25 nefig (Member)

Keep testing them landers and ads.. and dayparting, eh


05-23-2013 04:53 AM #26 badger (Member)

Day 3
Costs: -$20
Revenue: $4
Profit: -$16


Yesterday's numbers weren't too impressive. Reinjected more images similar to my winning ad, as well as a neon-stroked copy of the winning picture. Launched AYI Ireland as well.

Direct linking apps seems to be a quick way to fight over some thin-ass margins. I won't be dropping these campaigns though.. so far it's been a good way to learn the ropes.

Couldn't do a whole lot today due to flights and travel. Facebook also left all of my ads pending (going on two days...), which means tomorrow's update should be more of the same. Sorry bros!


05-23-2013 04:56 AM #27 badger (Member)

Quote Originally Posted by nefig View Post
Keep testing them landers and ads.. and dayparting, eh
Thanks for the tips man. Have one question though... are you saying I should make a lander for a facebook app? I'm not averse to the idea, I just thought that direct linking was the way to go with these.


05-23-2013 05:34 AM #28 ironman (Member)

you should always split test both direct linking and landing page with fb dating. its always better to use a landing page for offers with higher payout.


05-24-2013 04:04 AM #29 badger (Member)

Day 4
Costs: -$20
Revenue: $4
Profit: -$16


More of the same on the revenue front. AYI South Africa is overall converting for me at 0.05 EPC after ~500 clicks.. not something I can easily make profitable. My best bet is to get more T&A approved which might in turn raise the CVR.

Reinjected a couple images similar to my winning one today. No approvals on those or my pending campaign, so tomorrow's update will likely be more of the same...

On an unrelated note, I can see why people get frustrated with Facebook. I have had a campaign waiting in approval for 3 (business) days at this point. The bidding algorithm is also finicky, fucked up, and will require lots of testing for me to master.

I used to bitch about POF but they're an affiliate's dream compared to these assclowns...


05-25-2013 01:56 AM #30 badger (Member)

Day 5
Costs: -$20
Revenue: $8
Profit: -$12


I have had most of my ads in pending review for literally 4 days at this point. I really don't know what's going on, so I'm gonna be canceling and resubmitting a bunch of stuff tomorrow to see if it makes any difference. If facebook is gonna hassle my approvals this hard, I may have to switch traffic sources since I haven't been able to get any new ads in this whole friggin week.

On the plus side, I'm seeing limp bizkit live tonight. It's gonna be so early 2000's nu-metal extreme that I'll probably get a boner in the moshpit.

KEEP ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN


06-28-2013 06:26 PM #31 badger (Member)

Day 29:
Costs: $54
Revenue: $71
Profit: $17


Well my new international campaign is doing well, I just need this cap raised and it should print me some good money. The US offer has potential but TJ is no place to run it IMO, so I paused it until I find a dirtier and cheaper traffic source.

I have a few more campaigns to try in TJ before I start Exoclick. These are mostly in the cheaper european regions, and I'll be trying to really go for volume over landing page tweaks


06-28-2013 08:07 PM #32 bbrock32 (Administrator)

If you want to run US try EXO but on smaller sites with low competition.

Use their macro to pass the site name and create both CPC and SMART CPM campaigns.

Also don't forget about the smaller sources like Juicy / Ero / Plugrush / TrafficForce.


06-28-2013 08:39 PM #33 mrwhite (Member)

Great stuff man thanks for posting


06-30-2013 10:18 PM #34 badger (Member)

Day 30:
Costs: $46
Revenue: $65
Profit: $19


Day 30 at last. I've decided that this will be my final regularly-updated post but I will make a couple future updates with some news on how I'm doing.

This has been quite the learning experience and I'd like to thank anyone who decided to drop in and post. I've learned some great tips and even made a couple friends, so I'd encourage anyone breaking into a traffic source to start a followalong! At the very least, it keeps you accountable.

I'll help you fellas out and give you the sparknotes of what I've learned:

-Pick one traffic source at a time. Don't split your efforts or expand into a new one until you're comfortably making cash with the first one.

-Your AMs can hook you up with some great offers. Keep good relationships and CALL people so they know who you are. This, like everything else is still a relationship game.

-When it comes to adult, the offer is the single most important part of your campaign. Then it's the placement, and lastly your marketing methods. People can steal your marketing methods, but they can't steal your exclusive offer or your exclusive placement.

-Don't trust banner CTR in adult. Track your banners individually and only look at money in/money out per banner. Some of my highest CTR banners converted the worst, but I was so excited by their CTR that I wasn't looking at the almighty dollar bill.

-Lastly- mindset is key. Stay calm and don't be addicted to the gambler's high you get from refreshing stats. Don't ever worry about day to day performance, just make sure things are profitable week to week.

Anyway I need to get some real profits going. Thanks for reading and good luck!


08-05-2013 07:51 AM #35 exaltedmoon (Member)

Hi badger, I am interested to know how you're doing with the campaigns? A great follow along! Keep up the great work and be persistent.


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