Effin Discouraged!!!! Adult & ExoClick (23)
Network:
F5 Media
Lander:
Yes (3); "Rules" Angle that everyone and their mother is using (must work).
Subscriptions:
STM & Adult Ad Spy
Additional steps taken:
1. Maynzie advised to go from shared hosting, to a VPS (done).
2. I also bought a domain.de to give it that "feel"
3. All ads, landers, etc. are in german
Pictures:
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I've been running affiliate offers for about 4-5 months now, and was told that this offer is the best for Germany. My affiliate manager (Manzie) said to run this bitch anyway. But my problem here, is that when I run these offers I'm use to making at least the amount I invested or at least 50% of what I spent in the testing phase. Yesterday I received a 5.22% from (exoclick) to the offer. I took Manzie's advice and used a VPS and switched some shit up. Today, I received 470 clicks, of which 113 clicked through resulting in 24% to the lander. I received 0 conversions though and I'm a bit pissy about it. Now the $$$ lost doesn't bother me, I understand the testing phase. I know this shits not easy... But just discouraged. With this information posted here I thought I would maybe get comments, criticism, etc. I'm open to any effin idea to possibly get this fixed and make both the network, am, myself some $.
Any thoughts on what I might be doing wrong?
Next Step:
1. Suicide (jk)
I suggest you to read this interesting post
http://www.ianfernando.com/2013/the-...s-have-tanked/
try different placements / sources. Try the offer at a different network, or rotate in a second offer. 113 click throughs with no leads is most likely going to be tracking not working on the offer, massive scrub, or bot clicks. (certain adult networks boost their bottom line by mixing in bot traffic that clicks through lps etc). It's adult, that's the nature of the game. Bunch of people promoting offers that don't have any real women on them on traffic sources that have bots on them lol...
It's also a double opt in, they could be having issues with confirmations, or if it is bot traffic, then they're obviously not able to go in and confirm the fake email they signed up with. Your ads / landing page are probably completely fine. Try a single opt in offer on a 50% rotate with that offer on a different traffic source with the same creatives.
Haha you can't get discouraged so easily, it's all part of the game!
I can tell you now that it's not the offer. It works and is proven.
Tell us more about your testing phase? How many creatives, landers etc?
You mentioned .de domain... did you use an offshore registrat service or not? If not your whois is listed in denic which I personally would avoid, especially in Germany.
eDates is DOI, and at least here, when I tested the offer, the e-mail ended up in the SPAM folder.
So, besides the offer being pushed everywhere, I don't think the 'amused guy' will check their spam folder for a confirmation, for adult everything happens on the 'spur of the moment'...
It's not weird though, to get conversions WEEKS after you pause traffic, until this date, I still get leads from DOI offers I promoted in January.. pff
yeah, thanks thmp. Despite all the talk regarding this offer, I'm done - stick a fork in me. I'm not doing DOI shit anymore after that post or after what dario mentioned. The probability of things not being inboxed; email servers being down, spam, etc just bother me...
This offer has been one of the biggest revenue offers on our network, we don't shave we don't scrub there is no point there must be something wrong in your setup or you just need to let it mature. First of all good job on the VPS, shared hosting will get you no where in the adult space and thats a good tip for anyone else out there not on at least a VPS yet
Like I mentioned did you remove the incoherent English banner language and German language landers?
Are you running RON exoclick, and what banner style/size. All this has huge effects on offer conversion rates man, and tbh 114 clicks to this offer is like a pebble in the ocean. Like stated above the offer is DOI you have to let it warm up and then it begins to convert right, I would never point anyone in the wrong direction but so many people just get worked up over a little money loss but thats this game.
I guarantee it'll start converting if you keep coherence from banners to lander, run premium websites and placements like NTVA and send a bit more traffic.
If you're going to make money in AM you really just have to relax and trust the process
470 clicks is nothing... Run a few thousands clicks to your lander at least, build a few more landers than only this one single lander you are using (if the angle the angle is proven doesn't matter, it could the wording on your lander that prevents people from signing up, hence: make at least 5 landers with different wording, better even: get creative and come up with your own angles).
Then after you have some conversion data start to optimize down, meaning cut out the non performing pubs in your campaign (or keywords, or whatever you use to target).
It's not hard to get a small profitable campaign going, but you will have to spend some money before you know what works (and I'm talking at least a few hundred bucks, $200+ or so, really)
You should probably consider split testing 3-4 more similar offers.
Originally Posted by MJDUB
Also Germany is probably the hardest country to get positive ROI in adult. Definitely not the best country to start. Try any other rich European country.
[QUOTE=maynzie;103628]There are a few big dogs on this forum who will back this statement gladly This offer has been one of the biggest revenue offers on our network, we don't shave we don't scrub there is no point there must be something wrong in your setup or you just need to let it mature.
First of all good job on the VPS (thanks for the advice on this, I'm sure it helps), shared hosting will get you no where in the adult space and thats a good tip for anyone else out there not on at least a VPS yet
Like I mentioned did you remove the incoherent English banner language and German language landers? (absolutley! I only had one english banner in the mix; but kept it because it brought a crazy (and I mean crazy) CTR. But yeah I 86'd it all day today, today was nothing but german).
Are you running RON exoclick (never RON), and what banner style/size (300x250, 728x90, 468x60, 250x250, 120x600 und 160x600). All this has huge effects on offer conversion rates man, and tbh 114 clicks to this offer is like a pebble in the ocean (I absolutley agree dude, trust me. The only thing that bothers me tho is that when I start pushing offers on other networks, I see 'some hope'. So if I drop say $1,000, I see $500 made before I start x'ing low CTR banners, making adjustments, etc. But when I'm dropping say $400 in a few days on exoclick, and making like $20 bux -- something's wrong and has nothing to do with aging a campaign). Like stated above the offer is DOI you have to let it warm up and then it begins to convert right, I would never point anyone in the wrong direction (I know dude, not outting ya! I just hope that email servers, spam folders, things not inboxing/sending correctly don't become a factor with this type of stuff. I think regardless tho, I'm gonna try soi for now) but so many people just get worked up over a little money loss but thats this game (agreed and this doesn't phase me at all, just need to see hope as outlined above in prior investments, lol).
I guarantee it'll start converting if you keep coherence from banners to lander, run premium websites and placements like NTVA and send a bit more traffic.
If you're going to make money in AM you really just have to relax and trust the process
Originally Posted by szmudo
Originally Posted by pokersensei
Note / Update:
I replied above to a few of the statements, so thanks for the feedback. However, I'm starting to think fucking exoclick here is mixing trash with real people jerkin it. I'm running other offers outside of F5 and just so happened to check my TJ account/stats and can see serious action/data/conversions. I've tried exoclick for a few months, and I always "broke even" roughly, except for this f5 offer/edates... But this being said, I never found it to be profitable. I think I'm going to come to the conclusion and 86 exoclick from my advertising means. I mean do you guys really find this traffic network profitable? Anyway, I think I'll resume traffic tomorrow on this offer for further testing, but through TJ and other networks. Def. done with exo.
Ping me up on skype regarding proofreading of your landers if you want for German.
I can vouch for this offer too, not that it should stop you from testing others. And split testing them should be done regardless of an offer or network's reputation.
I would be suspicious if I saw that many clicks for no conversions if you've used a semi-decent landing page.
Are you qualifying the user's age? Ensuring the traffic is actually from Germany?
F5 is very trustworthy and never had an issue with conversion rates with them, my gut instinct is you should try a different placement on a different traffic network, but also please rotate at least 1 other offer just to be safe
F5 is great, they've always converted on par with other networks for me. I definitely don't think the issue lies with them.
Originally Posted by d180304
So, you're running eDates DE on exoclick using a rules lander.. that would make you approximately the 1,958th person to try this. My best advice for you, and anyone else struggling in adult, is to try something new FFS.
ALL of my biggest campaigns have been ones that I ditched whatever the 'in thing' was and tried something different. When you stand out in the crowd, you gain a shit load of leverage over your competition.
I can +1 for germany being a hard beast to crack, may be try another country and see if you're still too far from getting somewhere.
Mehdi
Originally Posted by d180304
Don't know what to tell you man, I am just finishing up pulling in my first 1k on exoclick...
You just have to get fresh offers on a small market or be ready to fight against huge experts with massive marketing budgets.
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