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Journey To 272$/Day With The Online Games Niche ! (35)

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Hey guys, i signed up yesterday and i really like the community here, people seem to really help each other and share their knowledge. I started to write my journey two days ago on BHW but instead i will write here, it helps me getting motivated and i can help people then that's cool. I know most of you are in the dating niche, but i would appreciate if people in gaming can share their experience Thanks !
(i'm going to copy paste the first few days here and then update regularly).


I started media buying/PPC to CPA last week and i'm starting to really like this business model.
I hope i will be able to help through the experience i will get and that experienced people will also give me a hand if needed.

Important informations about the offers/traffic methods:

I won't tell the offers that i'm running right now, i will tell some of those i will get in the CPA networks i just signed up at, nor the main source i'm using to drive traffic right now (i'm looking for more and i tell which they are).

I will share the most i can. I can't reveal my platform as it could rise the competition if people reading this thread start to do the same.
About the offers, i'm going to reveal some of them but not all of them for the moment, just as a security lol, same thing with my CPA network. (Don't worry i will reveal a lot of things, i just want to make sure people won't copy my campaigns.)
So please, don't ask for them, and even if you know, don't say them. Thanks.


Niches i'm working on:

- Trading
- Online Games (not gambling but video games etc)


Special note:

I try to avoid US offers, i focus on french,uk,spanish,italy etc. The traffic is cheaper, i mainly focus on french as i'm french, so i can write good ads etc.
The downside is that there is much less traffic than US (most of the time).

What i have done so far from 12th March to today 18th March:

1) Trading:
I promote Traderush.com affiliate program. I don't know about the others but the french affiliate manager is really cool and helpful.
The offer payout is 250$ and converts when the visitor makes a deposit (200$). They have a lot banners for affiliates, for each country (FR,ES,DE,EN,JAP,arabic).

- I ran the French offer first, in 4 days: 47.71$ = 536 clicks, 12 sign ups -> NO DEPOSITS.
12 people signed up, but made no deposit. So now i need to wait for their team to call them and hope they make a deposit. I tested the best landing pages the affiliate manager recommended me, i tested both with around 23$ and i kept the best one and i use them with the spanish and deutsch offer aswell. (I only got 1 sign up with the other one)

- Then i tried the Spanish and Deutsch offers, in 6 days: SPAIN: 5.73$ = 163 clicks, 8 sign ups -> NO DEPOSITS. I get less traffic but it converts pretty good and clicks are way cheaper than France. (and france are way cheaper than US)
DEUTSCH: 2.57$ = 68 clicks, 0 sign ups. Well, traffic is small, looks like it doesn't convert.

I drove traffic through their banners and kept the best CTRs.
I stopped the traffic execpt the spanish one for the moment, i'm waiting to see the results of their team. If with 20 sign ups they can make one people make a deposit i will get 250$ which is great, and i will promote them like crazy then. I think 20 sign ups is enough to see what they can bring, french traffic is a bit costly so i don't want to push traffic for nothing. Affiliate manager told me to wait at least a week, so their team can get them on phone etc. We will see !


2) Online Games:
I get them through a CPA Network. By Online Games i mean popular ones like Travian, Urban Rivals etc. I promote a few of them, they each have a different offer for every country.
So here is it in 4 days (14th march to 18th march)

Offer 1 FR (4$) : 18.59$ = 224 clicks -> 34 conversions -> 136$ -> EPC= 0.61$ Profit = 117.41$
Offer 1 DE (2.45$) : 1.56$ = 42 clicks -> 2 conversions -> 4.90$ -> EPC= 0.12$ Profit = 3.34$
Offer 1 EN (UK etc but not US)(4$) : 0.17$ = 13 clicks -> 1 conversion -> 4$ -> EPC= 0.31$ Profit = 3.83$

Offer 2 SWE (2.90$) : 0.03$ = 3 -> 1 conversion -> 2.90$ -> EPC = 0.97$ Profit = 2.87$

Offer 3 IT (0.90$) : 0.83$ = 16 -> 1 conversion - > 0.90$ -> EPC = 0.06$ Profit = -0.07$

There are more offers but else my traffic isn't converting at all, else i did shit with the keywords so the stats are really not worth showing as i stopped them anyway.

I only do direct link for the moment, no landing pages. For offer 1 the landing page has a great conversion rate and the offer doesn't allow custom landing pages anyway.

Here is the report per day (as of today March 18) :
3/14 = 14.30$
3/15 = 24.00$
3/16 = 64.90$
3/17 = 34.45$
3/18 = 16.70$


How i drive traffic to my offers:

- Secret Traffic Source : As you can see the "Offer 1 FR" is doing great, because my keywords are really targeted. But i can't scale it up, i can't drive more of that quality traffic from my platform, all i can do is to have a better CTR, which i'm working on.
And it's the same for every offer, that's why i don't have a lot of clicks. I would have tested Offer 1 with US traffic if my CPA network had the US offer (i don't remember if there is one anywhere), looks like this online game is converting well.

That's why i'm looking for more traffic sources. As i'm focusing on games i'm trying these sources :

- Epic Game Ads "Offer 1 FR": 5.04$ = 32 clicks -> 0 conversions
Tried with different banners, i only deposit 10$ so i will test the remaining on other offers. Bad Source.

- Buzzcity "Offer 1 FR": 10$ = 220 clicks -> 0 conversions
I had 20$ doing nothing, so i tested it. Buzzcity only target mobile devices, i don't know if it's mobile that doesn't convert well with my offer or it's just that the traffic sucks. Bad Source.

- Direct Media Buy: I have used Google AD planner to find French websites related to free online games. I only targeted small websites (from 100 to 2000 UV/day) and sent them an email two days ago. 18 emails sent and 6 answers so far, all interested, some making already 200€/week or 500€/month etc via adsense, so they would like more, as i would take their adsense placements. I know i gotta check their organic traffic, demographics etc. I just don't want to give them that much money jsut for testing and i don't know if they will be ok 2-3 days test as they will have to replace their adsense etc ... and if my ads are going to be clicked


What i want to do next, ideas etc:

- Here are the traffic source i want to test asap, i already signed up or made a deposit to some, if you know a traffic source that could do well for my gaming offers, you are welcomed to share it : Mochimedia, BuysellAds, FB ads, Google Adwords, Lead Impact, Sitescout, pulse 360.

- i also applied to WolfStormMedia CPA network, they have some great gaming offers and I really want to get in.. But they rejected my apply tonight i don't know why. I could really invest a lot on their network as i don't find their offers on other networks but i will still ned to more research for more offers. I sent them an email as a last chance to get into the network. If you know a network with lots of gaming offers please tell me

- Making an Email list ? One idea come to my mind, always focusing on the promotion of those free online games. Making a squeeze page like "Get notified of the best upcomming 2013 Free online games" and then get an auto responder sequence with the offers, something like that. I don't know if people would optin lol. I would need a list for several countries. I can get traffic for fairly cheap in this niche so it might worth it.

I'm opened to suggestions etc and if i can help i will.
Thanks For reading if you did it that long

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UPDATE 1

First update of my journey !
I'm focusing on finding good offers and traffic sources this week.

So what i have done:

-I have been looking deeply for more gaming offers on offervault and found 2 CPA networks with awesome offers.
I Signed up to IQU and Publisherrev.com and followed up by an email saying im really exited etc (i really am lol) and that they can contact me on my email,skype,phone etc. I heard it will be easier to get accepted that way.
If i get in both of them (and hopefully wolfstormmedia) i won't need to search for more networks, they are the best i think.

- I have found some media buying european networks, i send a bunch of emails as it's not just register and make a deposit.

- I have made a list of the networks i must try this month, all specialized in gaming:
Mochimedia.com, mediatraffic.com, ad2games.com and cpmstar.com. Also considering buysellads and blogads.com.
I'm going to try these networks first before starting direct media buys (contacting websites for their ad placements).

- I have found adversal.com, i went ahead and deposit 25$. They don't have french traffic but european traffic (everything together), so i chose
UK traffic and i'm made a campaign with the Offer 1 EN. Bid is 12$ for 8k impressions (pricy i think) with a 300x250 ad. They only deliver 1000 imp per day and it's split through the day so it's slow ... Well, we will see if it converts ! But nowi will stop trying random traffic sources like that, i will focus on those i listed above. You don't choose keywords but they have categories, i choose online games.

- I got one conversion from Epicgameads.com ! Offer 3 ES Cost: 0.66$= 23 clicks -> 1 conversion -> 0.90$
Profit= 0.24$ pokerface.jpg. The french campaigns didn't convert at all and i spent 7.50$ on them. So i will just stop them and let the spanish one run until i don't have any funds left. I'm done with epicgameads.com.


Still 40 minutes until the end of the day but here are my earnings from this journey for today :
19/03= 17.65$
All from my secret traffic source exept the one from epicgameads.com

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I tried mochi media direct (no landing pages) and got crushed on a mainstream dating offer. Zero conversions with about $50 spend before I paused.

I still have money in that account if I ever find something worth spending it on. I know it wasn't a bad offer because I made really good money promoting it w/ PPC before the publisher pulled the plug on that.

I'd recommend building some kind of lander or learning what offers work on that network before depositing any money. From searching around this forum I see others have had luck w/ really basic flash games. Maybe my targeting was off.

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UPDATE 2 (March 20th)

So today:

- I now have an account on Mochimedia, ad2games, mediatraffic (waiting for ID card approval) and ad4game just sent me an email i have to fill something and send them.

- I tried to sign up to cpmstar.com, but there is only 1 sign up form and it says that there are too many publishers already,
while i want to be sign up as an advertiser ... so i sent an email to their support.

- I'm testing Zeropark.com with 10$. Never tried this kind of traffic.
Got 108 clicks on the Offer 1 UK atm with no conversions.
Got 4 clicks on the Offer 1 FR atm with no conversions.
Only tried with some generic keywords like free online games etc..

- Traderush ES: 31 clicks -> 2 sign ups -> 0 conversions

- Working my CTR, banners, keywords etc on my traffic source.

I'm going to test the traffic sources tomorrow.

Earnings Today:
= $31.70

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Thank you for sharing your experience, i will take a look at people driving traffic from mochimedia.

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I'm following this thread, very interesting. I have 2 websites with 20k UV in France about video games, if you want to run some test, leave me your Skype and ill add you.

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Hey , i already answered you on my introduction thread, i can't pm

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Sorry didn't see it ! Ill send you my skype by PM

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Interesting, never really tried games myself will watch over excited for it brah!

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I've actually probably made more profit from France than the US with gaming. I wish I spoke French. And German, and Turkish, and Italian, and Polish, and all Scandinavian languages.

ZeroPark should do alright with gaming you just need to find those targets and get a HOT lander going. Screw ad copy and presell, you need people to stop for the eye candy first.

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Nice ! Huge numbers are comming ! (i hope hehe)

Hehe good to know ! I have translated my french keywords to target other countries, but to make an ad i would need some that speaks fluently hehe..

Ok about ZeroPark, i'm not used to this kind of traffic i will need to work deeper on that.

Thanks for your insight !

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Cool stuff...I used to do gaming a lot with adotomi.com. They are based in israel, not sure if they are still operating. If you have good ad go cpm on mochimedia.

@thomasbhm - when you are doing dating offers on non-traditional dating sites you have to match the angle around the audience, which in your case is games.

Single Gamer/Gaming Fans/Chicks
-pic of chicks gaming -
Meet 5 Women in 5 Minutes

Now my ad would go to a optin lander designed around gaming, then from there to my lp also designed around gaming. I will after follow up with emails about some self help shit to find girls etc on Clickbank.

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Thanks for your contribution ! i will take a look at adotomi.com.
And nice method, dating should definetly work in gaming community. You usually target +18 people, and a lot of +18 gamers are virgins mouahahaha.

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Well that method works great with direct buys, just gotta check the demo with alexa/quantcast first.

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Looking good so far! Why $272/day though?

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$272/day = 100k a year

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Only thing you want to watch is lead quality, targeting just over 18 in dating will probably hurt your lead quality.

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Well anyway, i'm sticking with gaming

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Probably a good idea. I get what you were saying, but mixing niches like that is usually a recipe for disaster. On a side note, my first big success was in the gaming niche so I know there is plenty of money to be made if you get things going. Looking forward to seeing your results!

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Yea, i like gaming the gaming as it's nearly the only niche i have been on in two years, i like to analyse and already know a lot of things about gaming audience. I'm working but also having fun so, i know i can do it

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UPDATE 4

- Found 25 traffic source here : http://stmforum.com/forum/showthread...ght=mochimedia
SO i may create an account in each of them.

- Signed up to Adsimilis, i read that they have some great gaming offers.

- If i ever try advertising on facebook, i think i will get SocialAdNinja, the tool looks awesome.

- Found someone that is selling some cheap banner ad on his site, he might not know how to monetize, i sent him an email and he told me he would put my banner for 30k impression for free to test. I sent him the banner and i'm waiting. He said he has nearly 1m impressions per month. It's a site where people rate ladies from 1 to 10. I will test gaming AND dating for this one, if his traffic is legit.

- I have been accepted into Above All Offers. There are only two gaming offers that i didn't have but it's always more money (i hope ). I created the campagins, they will be approved tomorrow on my secret traffic source.

- Tomorrow i will start creating campaigns on some new traffic sources (mochemedia etc). Mochimedia Analysis (from 2011): Traffic outside of US converts well -> nice as i don't target US.


Earnings Today :
$21.80

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Great !

Keep going!

You can do the 272!

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Thanks buddy

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good luck...let me know if you need additional info and will inform the AM's.

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Cool, thanks. I signed up yesterday so i guess i will be contacted only next week.

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UPDATE 5

- Still sending IDs, filling documents etc for approval

- started a venture with Dailytime2, a really great guy. We started yesterday and we have some good results already.
But i don't know if i will add the earnings to this journey or maybe i will state my personnal earnings and those from the JV, i will see..

- I didn't add any funds to drive more traffic today i didn't have time, i hope i will be able to do it this week end : mochimedia,pulse360,ad2games etc

Not much today, still nothing from IQU,Publisherrev etc so i can't promote more offers atm u_u

Earnings Today:
$22.55

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UPDATE 6

Nothing today i was out all day !

Last saturday i made 60$ but this saturday it's ...

EARNINGS (saturday march 23th)
= $11.30

Meh.

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What is holding you back right now from scaling the campaign further? I see you are getting a positive ROI everyday, so I was just wondering.

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The traffic platform i'm working with can't get more laser targeted clicks, i guess i will have to test with more broad keywords. But first i'm going to test more traffic platforms.

And i need more offffffffffffeeeeeeeeers, still no answers from any cpa network i'm mad.

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UPDATE 7

- Got Accepted in a few networks so i have more offers finally, yay. Gonna make more campaigns tomorrow.

- Adversal fund = 0.00$, 0 conversions on my best converting offer. well, i'm done with them.

- Zeropark, still no conversions, i'm not sure if i really get their system and if i'm doing it good, if someone has some experience with them and wants to share, i'm open

- Waiting for approval of my documents, campaigns etc on others traffic sources.

- I'm not sure if i should make landing pages, i may work on that this week. If someone wants to help on that, i can show him one offer i promote and then tell me if i should do one, what i could put on it ... if somebody wants to that would be much appreciated.

- Done a test buy on a gaming website on buysellads for 12.50$. 50k impressions, 51 clicks, 0.10% CTR 0 Conversions. But it was for a clickbank product, i was well targeted, but i should direct link to a clickbank product anyway, dunno why i have done that .

So i think what i need to do is testing traffic sources and optimizing my banners / Landing pages if i create ones.

Earnings:
Sunday 24th = 22.90$
Monday 25th = 19.70$
Tuesday 26th = 12.90$
Wednesday 27th = 18.75$

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Been a week without update, i'm only going to make a quick update. I will update what i have done this week later.

UPDATE 8

- After reading zeno and zeropark's follow allong i'm going to try to stick with Zeropark. Looks like a traffic source with a lot of opportunities, so i will see what it can bring for gaming.

- I searched for examples of gaming landing page, i can't find any ! I tried on FB, on well known videogame website and gaming sites on buysellads. Nobody is using a landing page it seems, always direct linking.
I will have to try both anyway. If somebody can show me some i would be glad lol.

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There are some people doing creative things with "top lists" and "gaming charts" on Facebook. Take a look for those.

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Awesome campaign follow along. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation.

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Indeed now that you say it i remember seeing those LPs, i wil ltake a look thx.

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Yeah, thanks buddy

EDIT

Well i could find only one which is this one : http://fr.gamercharts.com/charts/top-50/fbextmanga
but it's a full blog i don't know if he is doing great, i found him from my browser history. I can't find any more of those things on my FB, if someone knows one and would like to share, it would be cool

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